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Post subject: Re: Does anybody NOT like the Blues Junior.
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:30 pm
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IMHO the Blues JR is a mediocre "practice amp" at best and no good for gigging. Everyone seems to want to heavily mod this amp, including Billm mods, tubes and speakers, so the only advantage is it's SIZE and not it's SOUND. This is one of the few pieces of gear I was happy to part with. Combine the cost of the amp with the cost of the mods and instead get a better amp to begin with ...I did, and any of the following are better: my Fender Blues Deluxe RI, Fender Twin Reverb RI and Peavey Delta Blues 115, and they don't need MODS.

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Post subject: Re: Does anybody NOT like the Blues Junior.
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:47 pm
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Again with the buying an amp that doesn't sound good to you? Why? Even Billm is clear that if you don't like the BJr sound to begin with, mods aren't going to help. :?:

I have never bought an amp that I didn't like the sound of, especially just so I could complain about it. I don't understand those that do. The OP did ask though...... 8)

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Post subject: Re: Does anybody NOT like the Blues Junior.
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:48 pm
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Probably not my last word on the Blues Junior, but possibly the last word by this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWK2IhU0 ... ure=relmfu

A lesson for anyone that still insists the amp is substandard..

WOW! That sounded just like Stevie! Too bad this amp was released after Stevie passed away... I'd bet anything he'd be playing one! I mean why bother to have a couple of Vibroverbs, Super Reverb, Dumble, Marshalls... he could've just had one or two BJ, mic the sumbitch and play Lenny like never before! :roll:

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Keep that BJ where it belongs, in the bedroom :mrgreen: Happy New Year everyone!


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Post subject: Re: Does anybody NOT like the Blues Junior.
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:20 pm
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Great insight into the mind of a BJr hater. Brilliant! :roll:

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Post subject: Re: Does anybody NOT like the Blues Junior.
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:38 pm
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Great insight into the mind of a BJr hater. Brilliant! :roll:

I'm a hater and I'm not afraid to say it... I hate pretty much anything that sucks! Next please?


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Post subject: Re: Does anybody NOT like the Blues Junior.
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:18 pm
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Are you saying that the sound on the video clip didn't sound pretty darned nice? :wink:

None of the haters have mentioned any components failures or reliability issues at all with the amps that they owned, just that they didn't like the sound. To develop hate from that is stretching things quite a bit. Actually, hating an inanimate object, especially for no reason other than the sound it has, is bizarre IMO, especially considering the amps popularity. At least you're in a pretty exclusive click, being about .0000000002 percent of the population that hates the BJr. It's not like you married the amp, sheesh! :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Does anybody NOT like the Blues Junior.
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:55 pm
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The Blues Junior hatred does seem pretty pathological on this site.

The haters seem to tell themselves that they're trying to help others, but they're really not. They're just unhappy people it seems. Who else would troll threads for a product they didn't like? I don't like MacDonalds, but I don't spend all my time on MacDonald's forums telling people they shouldn't like it either.

The Blues Junior has a great sound, it's light-weight (I can carry it with one hand) and reasonably priced.

Is it the Blues Junior's fault that one of it's competitors is called an "Egnater Tweaker"?

Marketing 101 will tell you that's a terrible name for a product. :)


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Post subject: Re: Does anybody NOT like the Blues Junior.
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:23 am
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I don't appreciate the characterization of Blues JR critics as "haters", "pathological", "unhappy people" and "trolls". These personal attacks are unnecessary. This thread, and others, are a direct solicitation of opinions of players with actual experience with the Blues Jr.

If you want to defend the honor of the great and wonderful Blues JR, and can get beyond "light and cheap", then go for it.

But the Blues JR. critics are more than vindicated by the fact that most internet chatter about the amp center on how to fix it, entailing expensive rebuilds and changes of most of it's components.

The unhappiness of most Blues Jr. owners stems from believing the internet hype that it is actually a "good sounding" amp, and then discovering it's not.... but for hundreds of dollars more their "cheap" amp might sound better but still not great. The false hype has one good effect, it makes selling or trading the piece of crap very easy and that makes us happy people! :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Does anybody NOT like the Blues Junior.
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:33 am
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BS jilaw50!

The haters characterized themselves, just look above a couple of posts. The "name calling" is typically directed at the ones that actually like the BJr by the haters, hardly the other way around. The BJr fans are typically referred to as "being fooled into buying the amp", and their judgement is questioned, etc, by the haters.

Further you are making up things about the advertised mods on the internet. The Billm site in particular is very clear that if you don't like the BJr to begin with, mods won't help and shouldn't be attempted. The mods aren't about "fixing" anything, they are mostly about improving the sound, with the exception of the adjustable bias mod, and that's still a matter of taste in how the output tubes are biased. Some like it hot. Actually, all of the mods are a matter of taste, as many many BJr owners enjoy the stock amp just fine. :wink:

The BJr critics are one thing, but the vitriol and hatred is quite another. Letting others know that you don't like the sound of the BJr is hardly bothersome, but questioning a persons intelligence for buying a BJr sure can be.

If a person is foolish enough to buy an amp that they have never listened to, that isn't the amps fault. Even more absurd is to buy an amp that they don't like the sound of, and thinking that they are some kind of engineer that can redesign the amp or something, to achieve the sound of a DR or whatever they have in mind.

And to state that most BJr owners are unhappy is laughable. :lol:

If you had bothered to read the threads here, you would find only about 6 people that don't like the BJr. The vast majority of people who buy the amps like them. You can also easily read that several of the professed haters have never even owned a BJr, they just tried it briefly.

Your last paragraph in particular is a perfect example. You referred to the hype as convincing someone about the sound, and questions the judgment of those that purchase a BJr. And "The unhappiness of most BJr owners...", is such a load of horse-hockey it isn't even funny.

So, being lame and hateful makes you happy? Whatever

I want to hear about how you were personally fooled into buying a BJr, then somehow learning that you didn't like the sound.

Sorry, but none of the 6 haters have been "vindicated" by anything but their own egos. There is nothing on this site that vindicates any of them. Their vitriol will never be vindicated. I have enjoyed my BJr immensly, and bought it based solely on it's sound, without having read any reviews.

So I like vanilla and you hate vanilla and prefer chocolate. No one with any intelligence could conclude that those who prefer chocolate are idiots that were somehow fooled into buying.

:roll: <----- your entire post

BTW, the BJr is not just a good sounding amp, it is a great sounding amp. :D

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Post subject: Re: Does anybody NOT like the Blues Junior.
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:05 am
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What I don't understand is if the Blues Jr was so bad, why is it one of Fender's best sellers? Maybe that's why there are so many modification sites. I remember when I first started fixing amps, there were a LOT of Princeton Reverb mod sites. Prolly due, in part, to Santana. Unfortunately, I still see a few of there abortions come through the bench.


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Post subject: Re: Does anybody NOT like the Blues Junior.
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:29 am
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Shimmilou

Your posts scream nastiness and dwell on the criticizing the critics rather than discussing the amp's pros or cons. That was my point.

I, like many others I assume, am influenced by internet gear reviews. One can only test limited products for limited time in limited circumstances. Most of my gear is top quality and I am happy with it. The Blues Jr. was my one mistake which I made hoping to find a lighter, easier to carry, gig amp and my disappointment under actual gigging conditions caused me to trade it away. No "BS" just my experience and a valid opinion, shared by many others from what I read.


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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:35 am
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That's my contention also BMW2002Ti, you don't see many mod sites for the amps that aren't prolifically popular. The mods sites can only survive if the amp is popular and well liked.

There are even many mods for the DR, Princeton, HRDlx and just about every popular amp made. Only natural that the more popular amps have more mods available. Same with repairs, more sold would naturally mean more repaired, not because of a perceived higher failure rate.

This point is lost on many, but if the failure rate for any amp is the same as every other amp or better, then naturally there would still be more of the better selling amps in for repair simply because there are more of them out there. :idea:

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Post subject: Re: Does anybody NOT like the Blues Junior.
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:48 am
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Shimmilou

Your posts scream nastiness and dwell on the criticizing the critics rather than discussing the amp's pros or cons. That was my point.

I, like many others I assume, am influenced by internet gear reviews. One can only test limited products for limited time in limited circumstances. Most of my gear is top quality and I am happy with it. The Blues Jr. was my one mistake which I made hoping to find a lighter, easier to carry, gig amp and my disappointment under actual gigging conditions caused me to trade it away. No "BS" just my experience and a valid opinion, shared by many others from what I read.

Just ignore him, he lacks communication skills and likes to call people names that disagree with him... I enjoy giving him a hard time cuz I'm a hater and a troll :roll: I don't know crap about amps and just play in my mommy's basement :mrgreen:


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Post subject: Re: Does anybody NOT like the Blues Junior.
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:52 am
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jilaw50 wrote:
...I, like many others I assume, am influenced by internet gear reviews. One can only test limited products for limited time in limited circumstances. Most of my gear is top quality and I am happy with it. The Blues Jr. was my one mistake which I made hoping to find a lighter, easier to carry, gig amp and my disappointment under actual gigging conditions caused me to trade it away. No "BS" just my experience and a valid opinion, shared by many others from what I read.


Sounds perfectly acceptable to me. Now this sounds like an acceptable/constructive criticism instead of a diatribe. :)

The "critics" don't need criticizing, but the haters invite criticism when insulting those who are perfectly happy with the BJr. And assuming that others were "fooled" just because you felt that you were, is just plain wrong. It's not our fault that you feel that you were fooled. And believe it or not, some people take reviews with a grain of salt and actually try the amp for themselves before buying. The amp is not for you, many others enjoy the $hit out of them, and are still reasonably intelligent people. :idea:

I have thoroughly described the merits of the BJr on other threads, don't feel the need to repeat for those that don't care anyway. I have also been clear in pointing out the things that I see wrong with the BJr, such as the bias that is scorching hot. I have never had a "perfect" amp, but each one that I have has it's strengths and weaknesses.

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Post subject: Re: Does anybody NOT like the Blues Junior.
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:54 am
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Are you saying that the sound on the video clip didn't sound pretty darned nice? :wink:

Nope, it sounded like a typical BJ, thin and lifeless... I'm a troll, why would I think it sounded nice?


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