It is currently Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:33 am

All times are UTC - 7 hours



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 34 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Author Message
Post subject: Re: to standby? or not to stand by.
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:19 am
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:38 am
Posts: 4333
Location: Tennessee
I have a '62 Vibrolux without a standby switch,also a '63 Reverb unit and a Champ without one,and I know why they don't have them,and I'm fine with that..do you know why there's no switch Bluesky?
Since you brought up amps without them and said that it seemed everybody thought Leo was wrong,......you know we know better than that....so explain that to the OP of this thread without making it sound like we're just wanting to disagree.


Top
Profile
Fender Play Winter Sale 2020
Post subject: Re: to standby? or not to stand by.
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:53 am
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:31 am
Posts: 14050
Location: Province de Québec, Canada
Hmmmm, wow. So I guess anyone that owns an amp that was designed and built over the last 60 years that DOESN'T have a standby switch should immediately go out and add one?

So Leo and Vox and many other manufacturers that didn't put standby switches on their amps was wrong?
___ Bluesky
____________________________________________________________________________________________
My opinion;

Leo's amps with no standby are sold to be a beginner amps, low cost, that why they cost cutting in some parts and desing. He know what he is doing.

Also in the 'old' days, tubes are more tough than today.
To bad that some builder keep the same old desing with today "not so tough" tubes

If we want to go by the book, today, we'll only buy boutique point to point amps, luthier custom made guitars. Never listen MP3 music etc.

IMO , low cost gear are useful, but is good to what they are.

__________________________________________________________________________________________

And for information;
Some tube amplifiers can pretty well do without the standby switch.
Those with rectifier tube or those operating at not too high voltage .


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: to standby? or not to stand by.
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:59 am
Offline
Amateur
Amateur
User avatar

Joined: Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:00 am
Posts: 154
Location: michigan
Wow..Diddn't mean to cause a ruckus here lol..But, i do appreciate the advice from everybody tho. To mabye explain a little better, I try and take good care of all my guitars and amps. I am not a pro player i just sit here and jam along to backing tracks on computer or, just like to noodle around making stuff up out of my head. as i cannot find anyone around my area to jam with. What i do is sometimes, i will come in here during a break from my shop or something and play around on the guitar for a bit then shut amp off and go back to work. But, i play for quite few hours at night if i am not too tired. (im 50 yrs old..cant jump around like i used to do in my teenage band playing years lol). Anywhoo..Iknow that the vib champ is biased class A configuration and will produce heat dissapation whether signal is applied or not. and im not keen on turning amp on then turning it back off after 15 mins playing or, leaving it on for hours without being used. i picked up an orange crush amp sometime ago and i use that amp to play during the day cos it is solid state .i can turn it off and on and off again at will..but, as good as a solid state amp as it is, it does not even come close to my vibro champ in headroom and sound (plus theres no reverb...sigh..) hence, the reason i thought about a standby switch for the champ. but, i think i will just leave it as it is. sorry for the long winded explanation.

_________________
2009 american deluxe ash stratocaster

2009 epiphone es-335 dot.
2009 65 drri amp
2009 fender vibro champ-xD amp.
2009 takamine g-4400 acoustic/electric guitar

1980 fender harvard reverb 1 amp


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: to standby? or not to stand by.
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:21 am
Offline
Amateur
Amateur
User avatar

Joined: Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:00 am
Posts: 154
Location: michigan
I had another quick question about my amp. If and when i change the tubes on it, do i have to re-bias it? ..thats all .

_________________
2009 american deluxe ash stratocaster

2009 epiphone es-335 dot.
2009 65 drri amp
2009 fender vibro champ-xD amp.
2009 takamine g-4400 acoustic/electric guitar

1980 fender harvard reverb 1 amp


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: to standby? or not to stand by.
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:47 am
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:31 am
Posts: 14050
Location: Province de Québec, Canada
Only for power tubes, yes, you need to check bias for new set of tubes. You never know if they will work properly with actual bias.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: to standby? or not to stand by.
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:17 pm
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:19 pm
Posts: 8827
Here's something to consider. Tubes way back were built to military spec and built for performance and longevity. Today they're built to produce the most profit that they can get out of them. Performance is secondary. I've never had a current production tube last more that a few years. The tubes in my 76 Twin and 74 Champ lasted 30+ years. I treat them all the same and they are gigged and used for rehearsals every week.

_________________
Life...... It's sexually transmitted and always fatal


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: to standby? or not to stand by.
Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:53 pm
Offline
Amateur
Amateur

Joined: Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:03 pm
Posts: 194
The vibro champ xd simply doesn't need a standby switch. Turn it on & off and play it at will. No problem. FWIW I have one and it's never a problem. There...I think I answered that question.

Do a google search on why a tube amp needs a standby switch. You will find that type of amp doesn't fall into the need one category.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: to standby? or not to stand by.
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:12 am
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:31 am
Posts: 14050
Location: Province de Québec, Canada
prolux wrote:
The vibro champ xd simply doesn't need a standby switch. Turn it on & off and play it at will. No problem. FWIW I have one and it's never a problem. There...I think I answered that question

Do a google search on why a tube amp needs a standby switch. You will find that type of amp doesn't fall into the need one category.


Why ? You could explain.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: to standby? or not to stand by.
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:22 am
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star

Joined: Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:37 pm
Posts: 8708
Location: Natural Bridge, Virginia
stratele52 wrote:
prolux wrote:
The vibro champ xd simply doesn't need a standby switch. Turn it on & off and play it at will. No problem. FWIW I have one and it's never a problem. There...I think I answered that question

Do a google search on why a tube amp needs a standby switch. You will find that type of amp doesn't fall into the need one category.


Why ? You could explain.


When I don't know the answer to something, I usually tell people to Google it. :lol:

_________________
Bill

Image


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: to standby? or not to stand by.
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:36 am
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:31 am
Posts: 14050
Location: Province de Québec, Canada
When I give an answer I can explain it.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: to standby? or not to stand by.
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:56 am
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star

Joined: Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:37 pm
Posts: 8708
Location: Natural Bridge, Virginia
stratele52 wrote:
When I give an answer I can explain it.


I know. As do I. But the point is, when someone makes a statment or claim that they can't explain, because they don't know the answer, the usual response is to "Google it". I doubt prolux knows the answer, hence his statement to "Google it".

_________________
Bill

Image


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: to standby? or not to stand by.
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:25 am
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:31 am
Posts: 14050
Location: Province de Québec, Canada
Yesterday I tried to search Google, I found nothing regarding this claim. The subject is too broad and general. This is not like looking for a recipe for apple pie. That's why I ask where does this statement I would be very curious to learn more.

I definitely do not want to criticize Prolux I do not know.
But we must be careful because it's how can repeted on web errors or falsity that pass for truths because everyone rehearsals.
Attention, I'm not saying it is now the case. And prolux can have a web adress to help me.

Translate with the help of Google Translation


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: to standby? or not to stand by.
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:47 am
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star

Joined: Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:37 pm
Posts: 8708
Location: Natural Bridge, Virginia
stratele52 wrote:
Yesterday I tried to search Google, I found nothing regarding this claim. The subject is too broad and general. This is not like looking for a recipe for apple pie. That's why I ask where does this statement I would be very curious to learn more.

I definitely do not want to criticize Prolux I do not know.
But we must be careful because it's how can repeted on web errors or falsity that pass for truths because everyone rehearsals.
Attention, I'm not saying it is now the case. And prolux can have a web adress to help me.

Translate with the help of Google Translation


A Google search of "tube amp standby switch" does return a lot of hits:

http://www.google.com/search?q=tube+amp ... f8&oe=utf8.

Far to many to search through. However, two that come up near the top are:

http://www.peavey.com/support/technotes ... pter_6.pdf

and

http://psg.com/~dlamkins/lamkins-guitar ... dby-switch.

The first article, by Hartely Peavey (of Peavey amp fame) is often referenced on TGP whenever discussions of standby switches come up. Peavey's views have stirred quite a controversy on that site regarding this subject.

The second article, by David Lamkins (whom I have never heard of), makes references to amps that have "controlled warmup" tube rectifiers. He then goes on to debunk those amps. In the end he goes on to say that he never uses the standby switches on his amps (they are always left "on") but does use them on other people's amps to keep them from getting "pissy". :lol:

Perhaps it is one of these two (or similar) articles to which Mr. Prolux is referring. However, since he chooses to keep us in the dark and not share the benefit of his wisdom, we can only search and speculate. :roll:

_________________
Bill

Image


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: to standby? or not to stand by.
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:12 am
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:31 am
Posts: 14050
Location: Province de Québec, Canada
prolux wrote:
The vibro champ xd simply doesn't need a standby switch. .......

...... You will find that type of amp doesn't fall into the need one category.


As I understand you , there is nothing about this specific amp ; Vibro Champ XD.
I do not intend to read everything that is on google hoping to come across this mentioned Prolux.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: to standby? or not to stand by.
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:07 am
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star

Joined: Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:37 pm
Posts: 8708
Location: Natural Bridge, Virginia
stratele52 wrote:
I do not intend to read everything that is on google ....


I'm halfway through. :lol: :lol: :lol:

_________________
Bill

Image


Top
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 34 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next

All times are UTC - 7 hours

Fender Play Winter Sale 2020

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to: