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Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:03 pm
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Leo didn't design the amps. He had an independent company (CLF Research) that built the basses and guitars. The amps were designed by Tom Walker and constructed in a plant separate from where Leo worked. He invested money in MM but he was not really a principal in the company, which was Tom Walker and Forrest White..



Not quite - Leo was very active unofficially in Music Man but couldn't be officially part of it due to his non-compete clause with Fender still being enforced. When you look at the very linear preamp circuit and tube power amps, that was part of Leo's influence.
Source: http://www.pacair.com/mmamps/Misc__Info ... story.html

great resource page: http://musicmanamps.com/

I owned a 410 65 from '82 - 91 and it was a great amp for live use until I moved into a 5th floor walkup in Hoboken NJ... great sound.

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Very cool info Ned, that amp sure did exude the Leo vibe. The 12Ax7 Phase inverter-driver, just can't trust my memory! I never checked to see which speakers the 410 had, now I'm guessing CTS, only because it was such a nice sound. Do you happen to know? And now that I think about it, wasn't it set up for a parallel-series output? I'll look back at those sites you provided. Thanks! Art

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I can't be totally sure, but I seem to remember ceramic speakers.

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"Leo vibe?"

Leo didn't design or build the Music Man amplifiers -- Tom Walker designed them, while Fender and Forrest White designed and produced the guitars and basses at a separate outfit, CLF. I'm not knocking Leo Fender: I have five Fender amps at the moment, and I'm not knocking MM: I had a wonderful HD-130 Reverb until I got too old to horse it around any more (the head was 44 lb, with a 100 lb 2x12 cab).

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Hi Ipe, I have no knowledge of the MM history, except what I read. You seem to have a handle on some of that history. Just saying, from a player's point of view, those amps sure sounded like they were related to Fenders. Whether or not Leo was involved, the designer sure does have my respect for getting a great amp in our hands!!! Art

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Hi Ipe, I have no knowledge of the MM history, except what I read. You seem to have a handle on some of that history. Just saying, from a player's point of view, those amps sure sounded like they were related to Fenders. Whether or not Leo was involved, the designer sure does have my respect for getting a great amp in our hands!!! Art


I and a friend have owned 130-watt MM heads -- his was the less usual bass head, without reverb; both of us used them for bass amps, coupled with Hartke 410XL cabinets, for quite a few years, and let me say that, when we sold them at different times a couple of years apart, they were snatched up immediately. There's a 4-10 combo floating around town that belonged to a Chicago bluesman.

No question they are excellent amps -- mine was one of the early ones, with a 12AX7 phase inverter in the pre, which could be cranked for distortion. Otherwise it was clean and LOUD. It hated my Strat, but loved my pedal steel. What a sweet sound! Too bad it was so heavy...the design combined solid state pre with all the heaviest features (transformers, etc) of the tube power section, but I was glad to have one. It just didn't get moved much while I had it!

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Say there Ipe, I don't want to side track Matt's thread, but I've been thinkin about trying pedal steel. Are the Carter beginner pieces worth trying? And is there a site for beginners, that you would recommend? Art

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I haven't checked out the Carter, but my opinion of pedal steel is, buy the best one you can afford. They can be pretty temperamental if not robustly designed. I didn't follow my own advice and I should have. Especially with a mechanically sophisticated instrument like the pedal steel the difference between OK and really good is immense. AND if you bail out at some point (as I did -- foot and knee surgery made it very difficult to work the pedals and knee levers --you'll get back your investment.

Good luck with it -- they are aggravating but rewarding in the extreme.

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