It is currently Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:54 am

All times are UTC - 7 hours



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 87 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next
Author Message
Post subject: Re: Blues Junior advice
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:30 am
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:48 am
Posts: 26417
Location: Tombstone Territory
The honor is mine, sir.

8)

Arjay

_________________
"Here's why reliability is job one: A great sounding amp that breaks down goes from being a favorite piece of gear to a useless piece of crap in less time than it takes to read this sentence." -- BRUCE ZINKY


Top
Profile
Fender Play Winter Sale 2020
Post subject: Re: Blues Junior advice
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:33 pm
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 08, 2009 1:58 pm
Posts: 467
Location: The dark side
I'll voice my opinion on the Blues Jr.. I have one along with a few other amps and was never satisfied with the sound. I was about ready to trade it when I decided to try it with an extension speaker. Wow the sound about blew me away. What I think is the problem with the Blues Jr. Combo as it comes new is the speaker (enclosure) cabinet. The cabinet as it comes is too small. When using this amp with an extension speaker plugged into the internal speaker jack this thing rocks. I believe that Fender could knock a really big home run if they would make the Blues Jr. in a head only configuration. The Blues Jr used with a closed back 112 extension is a great sounding amp. Everything from really clean to nasty.

_________________
OK, I'll hum a little bit, got it now?


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Blues Junior advice
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:21 pm
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:20 pm
Posts: 9640
Location: Indiana
Great idea S Bender,

I have also wanted to see a 15 watt head from Fender. The C600 is another example of an amp sounding tremendously better when connected to an external speaker cab.

A 15 watt head, and even a small 5 watt head would be great offerings. The BJr chassis does have the potential to be converted to a head without too much hassle.
http://home.comcast.net/~machrone/bjr/bjrhead/bjrhead.htm

_________________
---> "The amp should be SWITCHED OFF AND UNPLUGGED before you do this!" <---

Por favor, disculpe mi español, no se llega a la práctica con mucha frecuencia.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Blues Junior advice
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:45 pm
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:19 pm
Posts: 8827
EgFryer wrote:
BMW-KTM wrote:
This Blues Junior thing has come up a number of times. There have been times when I was smack dab in the middle of it all, slingin' mud with the best of them. It does no good.... There are times when the silliness of a comment lures me and exposes my weakness.


Well said. I try to stay neutral but often fail.

And RAF, two points I have to contest. First, I did not begin the argumentative tone in this thread. I offered my opinion and some of the natives - who clearly, based on other threads they've dominated, enjoy a good pointless, circular argument - took some personal offense that their own valuable opinions were being countered. Second, I actually HAVE drawn lots of people to trying and eventually buying Egnater Amps... not through forum blather or citing which celebrity was seen playing through such-and-such amp, but by actual recordings I've made with my Rebel. Once a player tries an Eggy, they are often ready to buy.

As for sounding sanctimonious... well, maybe you're not using the word precisely, but someone who imagines that they are getting the "classic Fender sound" out of a cheez-whiz circuit with EL84 power tubes and a solid state reverb loop is kidding themselves based on the appearance of the amp. And that's not an opinion, that's a simple physical fact, like "lions bite" or "you can't breathe water." There's no classic Fender amp that resembles the BJ in any way but form factor.


+1 Jim. I've been saying the same thing for ages. EL84's aer not associated with the "Classic Fender Sound" in any way shape or form. People who mention that have no idea of what the "Classic Fender Sound" really is. EL84's are way too aggressive when pushed to my ears anyway and lack the 6V6 note "bloom" that at least I associate it with it. The seriously overly wet and nasty reverb is just the icing on the cake. :shock:

No one here is trying to make anyone sound stupid or anything else. No one ever said the Egnater amps are the greatest amps in the universe. Whether or not they sound better than a Blues Jr is all subjective. But most who actually try Egnater amps as long as they aren't shopping by price alone admit the Egnater Rebel 20 is a seriously fine amp.

As far as arguing goes, none of the Egnater fans started any of the nonsensical childish name calling. Out of something like what, a quarter million forum members and only one member is on my ignore list because I got tired of getting into stupid arguments over tubes, reliability and build quality. I suggest if someone doesn't like anything I say or any member for that matter, add them to your "Ignore" list. It will save yourself and others a bunch of aggravation and spare the other forum members from reading it. It rally works too! :mrgreen: Discussing gear is one thing, arguing over opinions is another.

_________________
Life...... It's sexually transmitted and always fatal


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Blues Junior advice
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:47 pm
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:19 pm
Posts: 8827
EgFryer wrote:
BMW-KTM wrote:
This Blues Junior thing has come up a number of times. There have been times when I was smack dab in the middle of it all, slingin' mud with the best of them. It does no good.... There are times when the silliness of a comment lures me and exposes my weakness.


Well said. I try to stay neutral but often fail.

And RAF, two points I have to contest. First, I did not begin the argumentative tone in this thread. I offered my opinion and some of the natives - who clearly, based on other threads they've dominated, enjoy a good pointless, circular argument - took some personal offense that their own valuable opinions were being countered. Second, I actually HAVE drawn lots of people to trying and eventually buying Egnater Amps... not through forum blather or citing which celebrity was seen playing through such-and-such amp, but by actual recordings I've made with my Rebel. Once a player tries an Eggy, they are often ready to buy.

As for sounding sanctimonious... well, maybe you're not using the word precisely, but someone who imagines that they are getting the "classic Fender sound" out of a cheez-whiz circuit with EL84 power tubes and a solid state reverb loop is kidding themselves based on the appearance of the amp. And that's not an opinion, that's a simple physical fact, like "lions bite" or "you can't breathe water." There's no classic Fender amp that resembles the BJ in any way but form factor.


+1 Jim. I've been saying the same thing for ages. EL84's aer not associated with the "Classic Fender Sound" in any way shape or form. People who mention that have no idea of what the "Classic Fender Sound" really is. EL84's are way too aggressive when pushed to my ears anyway and lack the 6V6 note "bloom" that at least I associate it with it. The seriously overly wet and nasty reverb is just the icing on the cake. :shock:

No one here is trying to make anyone sound stupid or anything else. No one ever said the Egnater amps are the greatest amps in the universe. Whether or not they sound better than a Blues Jr is all subjective. But most who actually try Egnater amps as long as they aren't shopping by price alone admit the Egnater Rebel 20 is a seriously fine amp.

As far as arguing goes, none of the Egnater fans started any of the nonsensical childish name calling. Out of something like what, a quarter million forum members and only one member is on my ignore list because I got tired of getting into stupid arguments over tubes, reliability and build quality. I suggest if someone doesn't like anything I say or any member for that matter, add them to your "Ignore" list. It will save yourself and others a bunch of aggravation and spare the other forum members from reading it. It rally works too! :mrgreen: Discussing gear is one thing, arguing over opinions is another. A closed, narrow mind is a really horrible thing.

_________________
Life...... It's sexually transmitted and always fatal


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Blues Junior advice
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:33 pm
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:48 am
Posts: 26417
Location: Tombstone Territory
63supro wrote:
EL84's aer not associated with the "Classic Fender Sound" in any way shape or form. People who mention that have no idea of what the "Classic Fender Sound" really is.


+1000!

Conversely, the re-issue Sunn Model T (a misnomer if there ever was one -- it should've been called the "Model F") flopped for very similar reasons. The real Model T featured a quartet of 6550's and was conservatively rated at 150 watts RMS. It was a no-frills, balls-to-the-wall BEHEMOTH of an amp, with legendary Sunn tone. OTOH the milquetoast re-issue, "re-engineered" for 6L6GCs, came off sounding for all intents and purposes like a three thousand-dollar Evil Twin. Over-hyped, over-priced, and over-engineered. The short-lived follow-on Sunn T50C suffered a similar fate, and for similar reasons.......

They didn't sound like Sunn amps because, in a nutshell, they weren't.

And none of the EL84-powered MLSB's are even remotely related to what Leo Fender envisioned his guitar amps to be, despite his name being affixed to the cabinet.

JMO, YMMV, KDTTAH, PDOATT, ET SHITERA

Arjay

_________________
"Here's why reliability is job one: A great sounding amp that breaks down goes from being a favorite piece of gear to a useless piece of crap in less time than it takes to read this sentence." -- BRUCE ZINKY


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Blues Junior advice
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:04 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:50 am
Posts: 37
EgFryer wrote:
candycoke09 wrote:
I would be more inclined to try out an Egnater if you could tone down your posts to something more along the lines of "I like the Egnater Tweaker better than the Blues Jr." Instead, those of you touting the Egnaters are coming off with posts that sound more like "What's wrong with you? Are you stupid?" Pushiness and trying to elevate your perceived intelligence behind a computer screen don't help to endear me toward the Egnaters. I'm not an expert, or a musician. Even if I were, I wouldn't be inclined to lambast any particular product whether I had tried it or not. The sound that the player wants to hear coming out of the amplifier is a matter of personal taste best left to him alone.


My original post said that I owned a Blues Jr., that I tried everything within reason to make it sound good, and I couldn't do it, and therefore in my opinion it's junk. After that, I auditioned dozens of amps and found them all wanting for my purposes until I played a Rebel 20. Several posters agreed with me about the BJ's shortcomings.

It was other members of this forum who took personal offense at the assertion that the Blues Junior is an amp-shaped object. If you like the sound of it, yes, I question your taste. But It's no skin off my nose. It was others who immediately went into screed mode and turned to personal name calling, not me.

And I'm not hiding behind a computer screen either. There's my name and my website and samples of my work, and I'm not trying to hide the fact that I have a relationship with Egnater. But I will repeat: I played their amps exclusively for two years before being added to their roster.

And I'll lambast the Blues Junior all I like. I fell for it and Fender got my money, which buys me a ticket to tell the whole world that it sucks.

Now, if you've already bought your BJ, I'll try hard not to say you got grifted. SO did I. But if someone says they're thinking of buying one, I'll try to talk them out of it. There are too many GOOD ways to spend your amp money.

This is a bitter, bitter man.
Duke


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Blues Junior advice
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 3:45 am
Offline
Roadie
Roadie
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:26 am
Posts: 253
Bitter?? Because I dont like a crappy amp or being personally insulted over my opinion of it? Astonishing! (Again, I'm not sure you're really using that word precisely.. Perhaps you think "bitter" means "doesn't agree with me.")

You have me all wrong, duke. Far from it... I'm a very happy man, making music all day in my home studio, playing with my Scottie dog, traveling with my wife of 32 years to visit our two brilliant and wildly successful sons on the west coast. Except for a pesky and incurable chronic disease, my life is just about perfect, i receive it with gratitude and awe, and my friends would describe me as "sweet." (They say you can hear it in my playing.)

I don't know how you read bitterness into my mild self-defense (much milder than the pig-biting vitriol dished out in this thread). And now you're doing the same thing that others here have done, hallucinating that my simple opinion is a symptom of the state of my soul. "Wow, he can't be convinced that the Blues Junior is anything but a POS with a shape and name that calls out to nostalgic middle-aged guitar owners. He must be A) a troll B) a liar C) a double agent who works for an evil competing amp company, or D) bitter (my favorite to date)."

Sorry, I'm none of the above. I'm a contented professional musician who simply dropped into this thread to prevent yet another player from buying a BJ because the Internet says it's so great. If I've saved even one from it's honky, boxy ugliness, then it's all been worthwhile. :mrgreen:

_________________
Jim Bordner
Gravity Music - www.gravitymusic.com
Composer, producer, Egnater Artist


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Blues Junior advice
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:02 am
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:20 pm
Posts: 9640
Location: Indiana
And, there's your confirmation bigduke6. :wink:

_________________
---> "The amp should be SWITCHED OFF AND UNPLUGGED before you do this!" <---

Por favor, disculpe mi español, no se llega a la práctica con mucha frecuencia.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Blues Junior advice
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:30 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:39 am
Posts: 92
shimmilou wrote:
And, there's your confirmation bigduke6. :wink:



...textbook !!!!


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Blues Junior advice
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:35 am
Offline
Roadie
Roadie
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:26 am
Posts: 253
Oh it's text book pathology, alright.

Oh, you were talking about me! Oh, well... nice try. :lol: :)

_________________
Jim Bordner
Gravity Music - www.gravitymusic.com
Composer, producer, Egnater Artist


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Blues Junior advice
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:48 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:38 am
Posts: 31
So this last Fathers Day was getting close and I had a woody and a good excuse to get myself a new amp. Been going to GC for some time and checking out the BJ'r but had been hesitant about pulling the pin. I got to talking to my instructor who's been in the music business all his life. He recommended I try the DRRI, I did, I bought, I'm very happy.

One thing I'd like to recommend.....wait until school is in session before going to any music store to test drive equipment. The comotion will be greatly reduced due to fewer personnel performing their own test drives.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Blues Junior advice
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:58 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Sat May 22, 2010 10:53 pm
Posts: 1467
Location: deep down in Florida...
Die thread, DIE!!!

:mrgreen:


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Blues Junior advice
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:15 am
Offline
Roadie
Roadie
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:26 am
Posts: 253
cedarblues wrote:
Die thread, DIE!!!

:mrgreen:



:lol:

I solemnly swear from now on to do my part to rid the world of this train wreck.

_________________
Jim Bordner
Gravity Music - www.gravitymusic.com
Composer, producer, Egnater Artist


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Blues Junior advice
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:05 am
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:48 am
Posts: 26417
Location: Tombstone Territory
EgFryer wrote:
cedarblues wrote:
Die thread, DIE!!!

:mrgreen:



:lol:

I solemnly swear from now on to do my part to rid the world of this train wreck.


You mean this tread, Jim -- or the heart of its topic?

:lol:

Arjay

_________________
"Here's why reliability is job one: A great sounding amp that breaks down goes from being a favorite piece of gear to a useless piece of crap in less time than it takes to read this sentence." -- BRUCE ZINKY


Top
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 87 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next

All times are UTC - 7 hours

Fender Play Winter Sale 2020

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to: