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Post subject: Re: Blues Junior advice
Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:24 pm
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BMW-KTM, I think the problem lies in that some of us view amps as tools that produce a tone that serves a purpose and nothing more. My gear is not a family member and I don't have a woman's name for any of my gear. They are tools of a trade or art, just like my camera gear. If it breaks or wears out, I fix it or replace it. If it's troublesome, I just get rid of it. I don't care what anyone says about my gear. If you don't like it, and rag it, I don't care. Some folks take gear criticism personally and get upset at any negative comment about their gear. It's the same way on many photography forums too. Personally, I'm not brand loyal. If my Egnater Rebel 20 gave me as many problems as my HRDlx did, I'd be on Egnater's site ragging about too. My gear needs to work without a ton of headaches.

The problems I had with my HRDlx were common. Very common at the time I bought my amp. I read literally hundreds of posts on nearly half a dozen forums warning about the pitfalls and design flaws of the HRDlx after I already started having problems with it. That's how I came across Justin Holton's site. If I would have done my research instead of trusting a brand I've used both as an amateur and professional for over 40 years I would have walked away from the HRDlx no matter how good it sounded for it's brief time with me. My suggestion to Shim and anyone else who takes amp criticism personally, steer clear of those posts. It only causes hard feelings when people start with personal name calling, word twisting and personal accusations like working for a company because you like their products. I've been accused of working for Egnater, Nikon, Canon, Olympus, Martin Guitar, Epiphone, and even Fender. All over an opinion of a stupid piece of gear. I think that's possibly why Way Cool Jr left. Too much petty horseshit. It's a shame because he was fun to have around the forum. Difference of opinion is what makes things interesting. No company farts rainbows and ice cream with every product.

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Post subject: Re: Blues Junior advice
Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:11 pm
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BMW-KTM wrote:
...I thought it was kind of interesting to see my post about being fully qualified to comment being used to accuse EgFryer of ... wahtever. ... I never saw that side of shimmi before. Anyway shimmi, and anybody else who is interested, this is why I am qualified to comment...


Seriously, did you read the thread? The quote from you was used because Eghead made a rude comment as if my previous post about the extra cost of a speaker cab was directed at him, it was not, it was for the OP for price comparison, BJr, Head, and combo. My comment in response to his, used your quote, but that post was directed at him, nothing to to with your qualifications at all, that is why I started the post with a greeting for him, not you, and I even removed your name from the quote. He was the one pointing out that he was "a full time pro".

No one is taking rude comments about their BJr or HRDlx as personal (yet another deceitful misdirection), but the comments are rude and obnoxious none-the-less.

Please re-read the thread from the beginning, note the immediate uncalled for put down of the amp that the OP had already decided that he wanted. The OP asked about speakers, not the amp. The thread did digress, but none of my comments had anything to do with you, nor were any directed at you or about you.

And as usual, the BS suggestion that somehow comments about the amp are taken personally, is arrogant and obnoxious. It has nothing to do with anything personal, it's about the rude manner in which the comments are made.

Funny how the "forum" posts are selectively used as "evidence", depending on which point is pushed. The internet is an "echo chamber" if praising an amp, but concrete proof if bashing an amp. Double standard any way that you want to slice it.

In case it isn't obvious, the previous two sentences of this post aren't about you either, as evidenced by the fact that you haven't made these comments.

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Post subject: Re: Blues Junior advice
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:18 am
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I would be more inclined to try out an Egnater if you could tone down your posts to something more along the lines of "I like the Egnater Tweaker better than the Blues Jr." Instead, those of you touting the Egnaters are coming off with posts that sound more like "What's wrong with you? Are you stupid?" Pushiness and trying to elevate your perceived intelligence behind a computer screen don't help to endear me toward the Egnaters. I'm not an expert, or a musician. Even if I were, I wouldn't be inclined to lambast any particular product whether I had tried it or not. The sound that the player wants to hear coming out of the amplifier is a matter of personal taste best left to him alone.


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Post subject: Re: Blues Junior advice
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:37 am
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candycoke09 wrote:
I would be more inclined to try out an Egnater if you could tone down your posts to something more along the lines of "I like the Egnater Tweaker better than the Blues Jr." Instead, those of you touting the Egnaters are coming off with posts that sound more like "What's wrong with you? Are you stupid?" Pushiness and trying to elevate your perceived intelligence behind a computer screen don't help to endear me toward the Egnaters. I'm not an expert, or a musician. Even if I were, I wouldn't be inclined to lambast any particular product whether I had tried it or not. The sound that the player wants to hear coming out of the amplifier is a matter of personal taste best left to him alone.


My original post said that I owned a Blues Jr., that I tried everything within reason to make it sound good, and I couldn't do it, and therefore in my opinion it's junk. After that, I auditioned dozens of amps and found them all wanting for my purposes until I played a Rebel 20. Several posters agreed with me about the BJ's shortcomings.

It was other members of this forum who took personal offense at the assertion that the Blues Junior is an amp-shaped object. If you like the sound of it, yes, I question your taste. But It's no skin off my nose. It was others who immediately went into screed mode and turned to personal name calling, not me.

And I'm not hiding behind a computer screen either. There's my name and my website and samples of my work, and I'm not trying to hide the fact that I have a relationship with Egnater. But I will repeat: I played their amps exclusively for two years before being added to their roster.

And I'll lambast the Blues Junior all I like. I fell for it and Fender got my money, which buys me a ticket to tell the whole world that it sucks.

Now, if you've already bought your BJ, I'll try hard not to say you got grifted. SO did I. But if someone says they're thinking of buying one, I'll try to talk them out of it. There are too many GOOD ways to spend your amp money.

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Post subject: Re: Blues Junior advice
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:41 am
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No skin off my nose either. Heck, I'll even admit that a friend's Peavey Valve King sounds great with a Shencker bolt neck Flying V with Dave Mustaine Live Wires. How's that for making my personal tastes questionable? It's all in what you want the amp to do. For someone making commercials and theme music you need a very versatile amp. That's what the Egnater is good at. I just wanted something that sounded better than a solid-state combo or a Pod. Any tube amp will do that, but at the time (11 years ago) the Blues Jr. was about the only 15 watt $500 or less option available besides the Pro Jr. After pawning it for beer money and wanting to get back into the game, I decided I liked one enough to trade an el-cheapo mandolin and a little money for a new-in-the-box NOS version at a guitar show. As far as being grifted, I got drunk and I got rid of a terrible-sounding mistake. Win-win if you ask me. I haven't been that thirsty lately, so for now it will do.


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Post subject: Re: Blues Junior advice
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:22 pm
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This Blues Junior thing has come up a number of times. There have been times when I was smack dab in the middle of it all, slingin' mud with the best of them. It does no good. It may be fun to watch but it does no good. People have to learn things for themselves. Untill they do they willl advocate whatever it was they voted for with their wallets regardless of what is really true or what is best. The only reason I ventured back into the fray recently was because I had the opportunity to do some subjective evaluation. I said my piece and I am attempting to refrain from commenting further. Time will reveal the strength (or weakness) of my resolve. There are times when the silliness of a comment lures me and exposes my weakness.

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Post subject: Re: Blues Junior advice
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:35 pm
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I thought that your amp comparison was devoid of anything objectionable, it was very nice BMW-KTM. Just wanted to be sure that I was clear that I had no beef with you at all. :)

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Post subject: Re: Blues Junior advice
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:53 am
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I have a Tweed BJr. NOS that I love. I'm not famous, nor do I have much talent. But I know what sounds good to me. To the OP, go for it if YOU like the sound. Try out a bunch of different amps to see what best serves your purposes.

To the poster who lambasted the BJr. because YOUR experience netted less-than-perfect results with the amp, might I suggest that it wasn't the right amp FOR YOU. To add additional posts wherein you question another player's tastes because they like the sound of the BJr. comes off as argumentative and sanctimonious and really doesn't do anything to bolster your arguments for the Egnator. In fact, you're really not doing that company any favors or winning it new fans. We are all glad that you like yours. But because your amp sounds great to you doesn't mean that a BJr. doesn't sound good to the next guy/gal. Frankly I'm sure we could look around and find threads on this board and elsewhere where the Egnator amps are lambasted and their quality and sound are assailed. These are personal opinions, and like buttholes, everyone has one.

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Post subject: Re: Blues Junior advice
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:16 am
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63supro wrote:
Actually Jim IS a "bastion of objectivity". I know Jim from other forums and have corresponded with him personally too. He does quite a bit of commercial work and makes his living at it full time. He's telling the truth about being an Egnater Artist. He hasn't been an Egnater Artist for very long and he's the one who recommended the Egnater Rebel 20 to me two years ago. I never looked back. He has a vast knowledge of equipment and recording techniques and most of all tone.

Who's Little Miss Higgins anyway and what do Google hits have to do with anything? Rebecca Black has that silly Friday song and she has over a million hits. Is Little Miss Higgins your band? If it is great. A commercial artist is different than a touring artist. Every commercial on TV and the radio rely on them. Movie soundtracks too. Do they get the credit? Not usually on commercials anyway. I'm a commercial photographer. I make a decent living and get no photo recognition for a lot of my work. Some of my food shots are on packaging all over the country but my name isn't. Am I famous nope but you may have seen my work in a catalog or grocery store. It's the way commercial businesses work.

The difference between a professional and an amateur is a professional won't take an opinion about his equipment personally. They just call it as they see it, heard it or played it ow worked with it. It's not a family member, to a professional it's a tool to get a job done. Professionals need equipment that's reliable day after day and it needs to be versatile and sound great. Personal attacks on people because of a difference of opinion on equipment are unwarranted.

Maybe we need not only a geezer section, but a professional discussion section on the forum as well.

mw13068, no offense but his statement isn't laughable.

I bought my HRDlx because it said Fender on it. A name I trusted and relied on for over 40 years. I bought it because I thought it had potential and was different than any Fender amp I've ever owned. I was wrong on all counts. It had some very serious reliability issues. I could never dial in my tone. I could with every other Fender amp I've ever owned. I finally got rid of it.

We all have different ears and opinions. They are only opinions but some people on the forum take opinions way too personally and turn them into personal attacks so many including myself get baited into stupid heated name calling arguments. It all needs to stop. If you've never heard someones work, how can a person criticize them?


Shim, we get it. You love your HRD..... and GT's. Fine. People are allowed to have opinions other than yours. You are not always right. None of us are. Stop dissecting posts and misquoting peoples posts. You don't really seem to read them completely before you respond. We're all guilty of it but your responses usually always trigger arguments. Everyone's Biorhythms must be off or something. :lol:


How does the Egnator clean sound compare to the Fender cleans? I think that's what most of us like in Fenders.

All this fighting is stupid. I like to read anyone's opinion that has had what I am looking for. This guy obviously has a lot of knowledge of both the BJ and the Egnators. just read what he has to say, take everything with a grain of salt and make your own decisions.


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Post subject: Re: Blues Junior advice
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:20 am
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BMW-KTM wrote:
This Blues Junior thing has come up a number of times. There have been times when I was smack dab in the middle of it all, slingin' mud with the best of them. It does no good.... There are times when the silliness of a comment lures me and exposes my weakness.


Well said. I try to stay neutral but often fail.

And RAF, two points I have to contest. First, I did not begin the argumentative tone in this thread. I offered my opinion and some of the natives - who clearly, based on other threads they've dominated, enjoy a good pointless, circular argument - took some personal offense that their own valuable opinions were being countered. Second, I actually HAVE drawn lots of people to trying and eventually buying Egnater Amps... not through forum blather or citing which celebrity was seen playing through such-and-such amp, but by actual recordings I've made with my Rebel. Once a player tries an Eggy, they are often ready to buy.

As for sounding sanctimonious... well, maybe you're not using the word precisely, but someone who imagines that they are getting the "classic Fender sound" out of a cheez-whiz circuit with EL84 power tubes and a solid state reverb loop is kidding themselves based on the appearance of the amp. And that's not an opinion, that's a simple physical fact, like "lions bite" or "you can't breathe water." There's no classic Fender amp that resembles the BJ in any way but form factor.

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Post subject: Re: Blues Junior advice
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:44 am
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tjinca1 wrote:
How does the Egnator clean sound compare to the Fender cleans? I think that's what most of us like in Fenders.


Agreed. I my have already posted this in this thread, but here's what I think is a good example of the Rebel 20 in a Fender-ish clean mode: 20 watts, all 6V6's played through an open back cab loaded with an Eminence Red Fang, mic'ed with one SM57. Taking the player into account, this is pretty much what this guitar and player sound like through a DRRI.

http://www.gravitymusic.com/audio/BorderTown.mp3

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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:52 am
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the "classic Fender sound" out of a cheez-whiz circuit with EL84 power tubes and a solid state reverb loop


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Love it, Gravity Jim!

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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:03 am
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Please don't encourage the trolls Retroverbial. :!:

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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:08 am
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Post subject: Re: Blues Junior advice
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:17 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
One man's "troll" is another man's trustee of the truth.

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Props to you, Arjay. Present fist for bumping.

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