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Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:16 am
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Shim, have you ever owned a DRRI? As far the complaints about the DRRI that I've read here, most had to do with bad tubes... about a month ago I remember seeing post after post complaining about the HRD line.

I understand you're talking about the "new and improved" HRD III. The amp is still too new and not that many owners out there so it's still too early to say that it's a solid amp... the DRRI been out since the 90s and hasn't changed much, no DRRI I or II or III or IV... so that's not a fair comparison to the HRD III, 20 years of selling the same amp vs. a few months, don't you agree?

I checked the III out and it does have a nice tone actually, but I'm in no hurry to go buy one, need to give it some time to prove itself as a reliable amp...

This is not the first time you defend the HRD line... I recall other similar threads of you defending the HRD line way before the III was out, but now you're saying you're only talking about the new III amp. It was basically the same argument, HRD is more reliable than the DRRI or sounds better... there's nothing wrong with defending the amp you own and love, but to say "So far the HRDlx III seems to have way less problems than the new DRRIs do, by far" is not really a fair statement IMO.


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Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:35 am
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He's just defending what he owns. Same thing with the Groove Tubes. My experience goes way beyond Fender and the Hot Rod Series amp. I don't appreciate the child-like comments he makes towards me either. He takes my words and twists them around to try and make his own points look more valid. I've told him many times to just ignore my posts but it seems like he gets his rock off trying to humiliate me in front of the forum members. Good for him. :?

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Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:36 am
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Shim, have you ever owned a DRRI? As far the complaints about the DRRI that I've read here, most had to do with bad tubes... about a month ago I remember seeing post after post complaining about the HRD line.

I understand you're talking about the "new and improved" HRD III. The amp is still too new and not that many owners out there so it's still too early to say that it's a solid amp... the DRRI been out since the 90s and hasn't changed much, no DRRI I or II or III or IV... so that's not a fair comparison to the HRD III, 20 years of selling the same amp vs. a few months, don't you agree?

I checked the III out and it does have a nice tone actually, but I'm in no hurry to go buy one, need to give it some time to prove itself as a reliable amp...

This is not the first time you defend the HRD line... I recall other similar threads of you defending the HRD line way before the III was out, but now you're saying you're only talking about the new III amp. It was basically the same argument, HRD is more reliable than the DRRI or sounds better... there's nothing wrong with defending the amp you own and love, but to say "So far the HRDlx III seems to have way less problems than the new DRRIs do, by far" is not really a fair statement IMO.
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Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:41 pm
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No, I've never owned a DRRI, the ones that I've tried sound great. I am only defending against gross exaggerations and outright lies, that's all. I have never said that the HRDlx was a perfect amp, and I have more than acknowledged it's shortcomings. I also know that the amp can be fixed right the first time if given the proper inspection by a competent tech. I know, many think that since they play guitar, their tech "treats them special" but, sadly the actions don't support this. The OP asked between the DRRI and the HRDlx III, and of course someone had to throw in the irrelevance of previous HRDlx versions. That was the crux of my comparison of the two amps, nothing more. Really, no other type of comparison would be fair, one is a 6V6 design, the other a 6L6.

If you really look at ALL of the reviews and opinions of the HRDlx, you can see that many times, a very few people post over and over about the same amp, one amp/one person, and some even go so far as to include all HRd amps as if problems with one model apply to all models (which is pure BS). When you only read what you want to see, it's very much pointless to point out only the negatives. This site alone you can find over 3000 posts by one person with one HRDlx amp, about how crappy all HRds are. That's hardly a deserved reputation when you consider the prolific amount of amps that have no problems at all, which a plethora of praises can easily be found if you look objectively. Typically, it seems that the people who complain, are way more vocal than those who have praise. Many members here are even timid about posting thoughts on their HRDlx, because they get jumped on with a bunch of spurious comments from a delusional poster.

If you discount tube problems for the DRRI or any other amp, then wouldn't it be fair to also do the same for the HRDlx? If there are poor solder joints in many new production amps, that is not a problem specific to the HRDlx. That's all I am asking, a fair assessment, not an unwanted, unwarranted, convoluted, delusional vendetta.

Here is an example of what I mean by gross exaggerations and lies:
"JJ's come in matched pairs and quads and really don't "need" another outfit checking them."

Of course, as has already been pointed out, this is nonsense, their tubes are matched by the resellers, just like anyone else who matches tubes, they don't come off of the assembly line already matched.

Another doozie, is to claim that an amp manufacturer moves production from the US to China because it's "all about quality". :lol:

Sometimes, just making a simple point in defense of a decent amp will generate the most ludicrous twisted responses. I think that my posts are fairly simple, with specific points, and forthcoming about both the pros and cons of any amp. And my HRDlx I, is over thirteen years old and still going strong with the original output tubes. It has had minor problems, filter caps for example, which are not unique to any specific amp.

I have changed my mind about it, and will from now on refer to the HRDlx I (US made), HRDlx II (first Mex version), and the HRDlx III (current Mex version). Strangely enough, as goofy as it sounds, I stopped using the I and II because it bothered one forum member (yeah, that's right I'm a nice guy who considers others feelings).

BTW, a post about an amp isn't always about any trouble with the amp, sometimes they are just questions about loops or other such queries. So if you see HRDlx in the title, that is not an automatic problem post, read the post first.

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Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:07 pm
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I understand what you're saying shim and I agree with some of the points you made... I'm glad to hear your HRD has been good to you for all those years. I've owned an original Blues Dlx for many years, recently sold, a Blues Jr, and a recent DeVille 410 for a couple years... so when I do a comparison, whether it's reliability or tone, I only discuss the amps I spent lots of time with, not only playing at home but playing gigs or going to jams...

Sorry to ask these questions, but it's only fair when comparing amps and discussing reliability... do you gig? Go out to jams at your local bars? Drive out to a friend's house to jam? It makes a huge difference whether the amp stays at home vs getting thrown around in the back of the car or being played at full volume for a few hours at a gig or at a jam... most working musicians I know and talk to, in person not in a forum, who've used one of the HRD amps will tell you about some of the reliability issues that come up. I've yet to meet anyone complaining about a DR or DRRI after years of abuse, only that they required some new tubes.

My DRRI goes for a ride in my car 2 or 3 times a week at least, the ride is not comfortable at all... I leave my amp on at a jam and let whoever wants to play use my amp. It never complains and the tone is to die for! :D


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Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:08 pm
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Another doozie, is to claim that an amp manufacturer moves production from the US to China because it's "all about quality".

There you go again you word twisting A hole. I never said that, what I said is there are different levels of quality coming out of China. The manufacturer decodes the level and pay accordingly. Your a real friggin piece of work Shim. :twisted:

I don't give a ratsass that you hate me, but if you're going to quote me, do it properly.

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Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:17 pm
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I have never gigged professionally, but used to haul the HRDlx around to friends houses, maybe a couple of times a week (I had three main places to jam). I did this for a few years when I first got my amp, now I leave the HRDlx at home and carry the BJr as the HRDlx is too heavy. The HRDlx saw it's fair share of abuse during those years of traveling, being banged around, and being left overnight at friends houses during parties where others would use it while I was away. Of course I always did my best to be careful with the amp to insure no damage, but bumps and bangs happened anyway.

I understand that the pros probably are much rougher on their gear in general than an amateur like me would be. But just because someone is a pro, I didn't assume that they were abusing it anymore than normal handling. Getting paid to play doesn't affect the amp in the least though. I am sure that confidence in equipment's reliability is paramount, even for ham-fisted gorillas who are rough on amps, I get it. :lol:

But, that's all relative I guess. The amp doesn't act any differently depending on whether or not the player get's paid. Maybe we'll see some pros with the HRDlx III soon, then we'll see if it can hold up. I have been wanting a new version III, maybe I'll have to get one and hire an abusive roadie to haul it around for me and see how it fares.

If my amp survived for all these years, can I conclude that all HRDlx's fared the same? No, and I think that the inverse is also true, if some amps had problems, it doesn't mean that they all do/will either.

I am certain though, that going over the amp when new, and re-soldering before any problems could occur, probably prevented any joint related issues with my amps. And obviously the majority of problems with many amps can be directly linked to solder joint issues (and tubes, but that is the same for all tube amps). Maybe that is where my advantage lies. :)

And yes, this particular thread, I was referring only to the III, which is what the OP asked about to begin with. And what a coincidence, a poster just had a squealing problem with a III, maybe tube related, we'll see. Sounds like a rash of HRd problems right there. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:42 am
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shimmilou wrote:
The amp doesn't act any differently depending on whether or not the player get's paid.

Getting paid is not why an amp acts differently, but playing the amp at loud volume for hours a few nights a week and all the road trips sure puts a lot more wear on the amp compared to being played at home... JMO.


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Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:50 am
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Rough treatment is not what kills HRDlx amps. It was an inherent design flaw (that may have been fixed in this new version, I dunno) that allows the heat from the amp to destroy components on the flimsy IC boards. They burn at the same point on the boards over and over, hundreds of them failed, and I've personally have seen dozens of such boards, either in person or in photos. A little touch up with a soldering iron won't fix it.

You want the low down on the Hot Rod series from some actual amp experts who canm deisng and build from scratch, drop by www.thefenderforum.com and search on "Hot Rod Deluxe." You'll get an eyeful.

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Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:57 am
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Nah, here's the real low-down. I am a professional amp tech, so I know. :lol:

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/reviews/guitar_amplifiers/fender/hot_rod_deluxe/index.html

I picked this site because they all agree with me. 8)

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Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:09 am
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I'm sure you did. People usually post to these sites during the honeymoon phase.

I have a professional amp tech who's experience goes well beyond Fender Hot Rod amps who told me otherwise. The guy's been an amps tech probably longer than you've been on the planet. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:39 am
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Obviously, a joke on my part, showing the selectivity of what people offer as "proof" of their opinions. This site agrees with my opinion, so they must be right, get it? :wink:

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You ain't no George Carlin. I guess we all have to surrender to the Great and Powerful Wizard of the Hot Rod.

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I'm much funnier in person, more of a Steve Martin than a George Carlin. Sometimes the internet doesn't translate humor well. 8)

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Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:44 am
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Hey thanks guys for all your replys..Iam sorry but i didnt mean to start such a fuss between some of you guys...If it will help stop all the ill vibes ...Ill just go ahead and buy a peavey ..............."so says the old senile guy on the bench"..Been goin to GC to play the hrdlIII black tolex,one days sounds good the next just loud, but must say the amp has much better controls as they have some taper to them now....They sold the wine tolexed one so i cant try that one out and seems now they have also sold the drri as well..I think if i had the do re me ,I would go for the drri in the wine red ..


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