It is currently Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:27 am

All times are UTC - 7 hours



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 46 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Author Message
Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:54 am
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:20 pm
Posts: 9640
Location: Indiana
Holy hard right batman!

Well, I thought it was about the DRRI having more problems, than the HRDlx III? All that I meant about the "only about quality" was, as you said, he went the production route and they are no longer about quality as much as making a buck (nothing wrong with that, it's just how it is). I don't agree that made in China is the same quality as made in US, but it could be great, not knocking them. Hence, my speculation that the switch to JJs is more likely about chea....errr, less expensive tubes. Maybe Bruce had a problem with the GTs? I don't know, but I've certainly never seen JJs at the top of anyone's list for best sounding tubes, except of course for the people that sell only JJs. I guess, that would be hype then, right?

I don't believe that JJs come off of the line as matched quads, but "somebody" has to match/test them. You're right, "least expensive" sounds so much better than "cheaper". Just as "over-priced hype" sounds so much more degrading than "expensive" or "best testing in the business". :wink:

_________________
---> "The amp should be SWITCHED OFF AND UNPLUGGED before you do this!" <---

Por favor, disculpe mi español, no se llega a la práctica con mucha frecuencia.


Top
Profile
Fender Play Winter Sale 2020
Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:59 pm
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:19 pm
Posts: 8827
Shim, you've really hit bottom now. :roll:
You need to look around at other forums and get some opinions on JJ's LOL. Even on this forum, players rave about them. I learned about them from some studio musicians I know. M fist choice in a great amp would be some nice NOS RCA Blackplates.

And you're dead wrong about the DRRI. There's got to be at least 8 members with one problem or another for the HRD series amp on the fist page alone of this forum and what, maybe two or three with issues for the DRRI? This whole conversation is, as usual with you, ridiculous. Try gigging and you may have a different opinion. :wink:

_________________
Life...... It's sexually transmitted and always fatal


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 1:26 pm
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:48 am
Posts: 26417
Location: Tombstone Territory
63supro wrote:
Try gigging and you may have a different opinion. :wink:


That's where the rubber meets the road......

Arjay

_________________
"Here's why reliability is job one: A great sounding amp that breaks down goes from being a favorite piece of gear to a useless piece of crap in less time than it takes to read this sentence." -- BRUCE ZINKY


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:24 pm
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:20 pm
Posts: 9640
Location: Indiana
:lol: You are so FOS, it's almost funny. There is exactly ONE HRd III "issue" on the first page, and he is complaining after switching to JJ tubes, but the amp has zero problems (Which, BTW is a Dvl, not Dlx). There are also exactly two BJr III threads, one problem, and one asking for opinions, no problems at all. That is exactly zero HRDlx III issues. On the same first page, there are two DRRI problem posts (tube related). So, by my count that is two to zero. At least you skimmed the page briefly, that's more than I expected. I could go on, but I can't remember you ever conceding a point, quite the opposite in fact, you squirm like a snake when trying to pin you down to a straight answer.

You claimed that no one had to match the JJ tubes, that they come in matched quads. Where do you get this? That is simply not true, unless Bob at Eurotubes is lying about matching tubes. Maybe you know of some other supplier that gets them from the factory already matched?

HRDlx III There, maybe you can see that a little better. Not one HRDlx III failure on the first page, two DRRI failures.

Nice of you to throw "gigging" in there as a red herring, as usual nothing to do with the topic.

JJs get rave reviews? OK, but it still isn't on anyone's list of "best tube" which is exactly what I said, nothing more.

I would rather take the opinions of the working musicians that I do work for, instead of some guy on the internet who bought the only tubes he could afford. And not once have I heard; "Hey put some JJs in there because they are the best". But many times I hear; "Hey, I'm broke so all I can afford are JJs". Maybe they aren't bad tubes, and for sure they aren't the best tube either.

Now what part was it where I hit bottom? Was it the part where you changed the subject, or the part where you exaggerated, or the part where you dodge the question and make things up? :?:

_________________
---> "The amp should be SWITCHED OFF AND UNPLUGGED before you do this!" <---

Por favor, disculpe mi español, no se llega a la práctica con mucha frecuencia.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:21 pm
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 03, 2010 2:18 pm
Posts: 6544
Personally, maybe 5-10 years ago, the JJ Electronics stuff was universally good. But, I've seen, heard, fixed more than a few amps that had new (bought within last few years) JJ power or rectifier tubes. Many aren't simply noisy, but shorted. So, there seems to be a potentially amp-deadly QA/testing issues, with the new tubes.

I've always bought them matched by seller. I don't know of any new made tubes, where the tolerances are so good, you don't need to match them. Even the crazy-@ss $$$ PSVANE & Shuguang Treasures power tubes are matched. The only trully factory matched that I've used were NOS GEC/MOV (with the printouts for each tube) and Philips Miniwatt, German Valvo or Siemens special quality tubes.

Best to buy power and rectifiers from someone who tests them in amp enviroment (volts and current) and not just in a tube tester. That goes for NOS, too. Remember, with NOS you are now buying what is leftover from a production run of 30-70 years ago (or more). They maybe the "lemons" of that run.

http://psvanetube.com/wordpress/?page_i ... duct_id=13


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:37 pm
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:19 pm
Posts: 8827
I wouldn't put anything but a nos rectifier tube in my amps. The new production rectifier Tubes are iffy at best including JJ's
Shim the only one FOS is you. Try not putting words in my mouth and we might just get along. :roll: Your whole experience seems to be limited to HRD amps and groove tubes. I don't need your garbage.

_________________
Life...... It's sexually transmitted and always fatal


Last edited by 63supro on Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:44 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:40 pm
Offline
Roadie
Roadie
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:26 am
Posts: 253
Beyond the confines of this forum, there is a chorus of praise for the venerable DRRI, and a similar chorus of curses for the HRDlx. I don't know if Fender has fixed the inherent design problems that caused the dread HRDlx to commit suicide by heat... But I can tell you, shim, that the previous versions of that amp had a couple of massive flaws that let the magic smoke out for too many users. What you read on this forum is not enough information to make a judgement in this case.

_________________
Jim Bordner
Gravity Music - www.gravitymusic.com
Composer, producer, Egnater Artist


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:55 pm
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:17 pm
Posts: 1986
I think the jury is still out on the hrlll. This is largely due to the reputation of the original HR.I have been around long enough to see the complaints.As far as the drri, the thing is bulletproof . Its weakest link is its original tubes.I put jjs in all my amps now and am quite happy.I gig 2 -3 times a month and other than a power tube failure, not a hiccup. Had it almost 2 years.Cant ask it to do more than that.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:54 pm
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:19 pm
Posts: 8827
Depending on the time of year, I gig 2-3 times a week if I'm not on a shoot. The JJ's in my Rebel 20 are original and almost 2 years old. I have a couple that are a bit older in a couple of other amps. They were a huge improvement In my HRDlx and didn't fail in that amp in four years, but that amp was in the closet due to other failures. Look at how many of the new complaints in the Fender amp line with the original tubes rattling. I'll keep both my Egnater And JJ's. I don't miss running to the tech all the time. :mrgreen:

_________________
Life...... It's sexually transmitted and always fatal


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:38 pm
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:48 am
Posts: 26417
Location: Tombstone Territory
Image

Gentlemen, puh-leeeze!

I liken you all to colleagues and protegés but such bickering is pointless. We all make worthwhile contributions and have valid opinions. We may not happen to agree with one another regarding a particular issue but intellectually we're bound to respect any reasoned viewpoint as a matter of civilized forum decorum.

Let's pour ourselves some Glenlivet's and listen to some Barry Manilow......

:mrgreen:

Arjay

_________________
"Here's why reliability is job one: A great sounding amp that breaks down goes from being a favorite piece of gear to a useless piece of crap in less time than it takes to read this sentence." -- BRUCE ZINKY


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:00 am
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:19 pm
Posts: 8827
8) Funny you said that Arjay, did that late last night for a nightcap. :lol:

_________________
Life...... It's sexually transmitted and always fatal


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:08 am
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:19 pm
Posts: 8827
8) Funny you said that Arjay, did that late last night for a nightcap. Glenlivet's is one of my favorites. I ran out of Patrone. :lol: I just hate when someone reads way too much into my posts and puts words in my mouth as Shim does with me on a constant basis. I guess 42 years in equipment and gigging experience counts for nothing. That's okay though. I don't like being told I'm wrong on a constant basis when my experience tells me otherwise. He tries to push my buttons on purpose. He's the only one who does it. I wish he would just ignore my posts. Anyway to the OP. I'd still go with the DRRI. Even if Shim thinks it's mote reliable, you won't beat the tone. Nothing like tone a nice 6V6 amp when it blooms.

Anyway, I'd rather be FOS than own a POS. :lol:

_________________
Life...... It's sexually transmitted and always fatal


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:57 am
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:20 pm
Posts: 9640
Location: Indiana
Pretty simple really.

shimmilou wrote:
Yep, no contest. So far the HRDlx III seems to have way less problems than the new DRRIs do, by far. :wink:


I guess I should have explained this, as apparently it is much too difficult to understand. The abbreviation "HRDlx" is short for Hot Rod Deluxe (note, this is different from a Blues Junior, BJr). The "III" is Roman numerals often used to denote a "3". In the case of the HRDlx III, it is the third and latest version of the HRDlx, and has some improvements over the previous versions. When I say HRDlx III, I mean just that, not a Deville, not a BJr, not the previous versions, but specifically the newest version of the HRDlx (note the distinction in the post above).

This forum, other forums, the young guy down the street, even the senile old man on the park bench, can all understand that the HRDlx III seems to be built better than the previous versions, and so far so good (yes I asked the senile old man, but I couldn't understand his jibberish, so I took it that he understands too :lol: ). To be even more clear, the HRDlx III so far has very few complaints, and it seems that some of the design flaws of previous versions have been addressed by Fender in a good enough manner that it is much improved.

To further illustrate that the HRDlx III (again, Dlx only and III only) is much better than previous versions, compare the number of complaints for the venerable DRRI, to the number of complaints for the HRDlx III. This is not to say that the DRRI is a bad amp, just that the HRDlx III is a better amp than the previous versions, as evidenced by much fewer complaints.

Q & A section:

Johnny: But Mr Shimmilou, why can't we lump all of the HRd amps together?

Shimmilou: Good question little Johnny. That's why we use terms like "BJr", "BDlx", "HRDlx" and "III" to be more specific and truthful, it would be a lie to say that 8 different amps are all the same thing. You would only lump them all together if you want to be deceptive, and we don't do that right Johnny?

Johnny: Right! But is it OK to exaggerate and make things up if it makes us feel better about ourselves?

Shimmilou: Now Johnny, you know that's not right. You don't want to develop a habit of exaggerating, because if you do, you won't be able to tell the difference between the truth and a lie when you get older.

Johnny: Thanks Mr Shimmilou, I don't want to grow up to be a crotchety old man with bad habits.

Shimmilou: Now run along Johnny and play with your new HRDlx III, and have fun.

Johnny: You mean the BDvl, it's the same thing right?

Shimmilou: Oh Johnny, you rascal. :lol:

Johnny: :lol: Gotcha! :lol:

Disclaimer:
Any resemblance to real or imaginary people is purely coincidental. :idea:

_________________
---> "The amp should be SWITCHED OFF AND UNPLUGGED before you do this!" <---

Por favor, disculpe mi español, no se llega a la práctica con mucha frecuencia.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:03 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:29 pm
Posts: 44
Location: New Hampsha
Retroverbial wrote:

Let's pour ourselves some Glenlivet's and listen to some Barry Manilow......

:mrgreen:

Arjay


Yes, and let's not forget a nice Arturo Fuente as well ... posting.php?mode=quote&f=13&p=720891#


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:21 am
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:19 pm
Posts: 8827
Yeah whatever you say there shimmy. :roll:

_________________
Life...... It's sexually transmitted and always fatal


Top
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 46 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

All times are UTC - 7 hours

Fender Play Winter Sale 2020

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to: