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Post subject: amp conciderations
Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:39 pm
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Iam jonesing for the redwine tolex and wheat grilled fender amps. supposedly ltd run amps....they are offered on the deluxe reverb amp and also the new hot rod deluxe III..with the celestion speaker...Although to me they look great i know ill be happier with the better sounding amp..i already have a blues jr nos,,vibro champ XD,marshall jtm60 112 with the matching cab..and a peavey delta blues 210..the deluxe reverb has a bell shaped jensen i belive and the newer HR has the celestion and smoother or more gradule controls..anyone have any expirence with either or any comments..thanks


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Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:42 pm
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I'm sure either amp will deliver equivalent satisfaction......

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Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:45 pm
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If you're choosing between a Hot Rod Deluxe and a Deluxe reverb, it shouldn't be a contest. The Deluxe Reverb is a great amp, reissue or older. The Hot Rods? Only time will tell if the 3rd time's a charm; they're made cheaper to hit a price point.

I know what I'd pick between the two, and it wouldn't have "rod" in the name.

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Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:37 am
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Yep, no contest. So far the HRDlx III seems to have way less problems than the new DRRIs do, by far. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:13 am
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I have both a Hot Rod Deville 4x10 and my newest acquisition, the DRRI. IMHO, the DRRI is a much better sounding amp...Although I have never had any real problems with the Deville. For me, the problem is that I can't get the damn thing past 3 on the volume knob without sending the cats climbing the curtains, and the dog howling at the moon :lol: Seriously though, I think the DRRI has a much better sound, more of the "classic fender sound" to me.

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Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:00 am
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Hi Wannabeec,

Just a thought, try some 6V6 output tubes in your HRDvl, roughly cutting the wattage of the amp in half. Both JJ and GT make 6V6 tubes that are rated to handle the higher Plate voltage in the HRDvl (maybe other tube brands too?). Of course you would need to adjust the bias for the 6V6s. Eurotubes sell JJs and they have some great info, including using 6V6 in a HRDvl on the site. :idea:

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Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 6:52 am
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Hi Shimmilou,

Great idea! I just went to the Eurotubes site, and I'm liking a couple of the packages they put together (especially the HRD Blues Option #2). Pretty good deal for $65. Thanks for the tip!


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Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:06 am
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I agree, the DRRI would be the long term amp. I'm not too sure about the HRD III having less problems though. :shock: I'd have to see some hard evidence on that. Modt of the problems I see are usually a bad run of reverb tanks or bad tubes. I wouldn't run GT's anyway. On ta sonic level, the DRRI is way ahead of the HRD III in every way as well as the build quality. QC has been poor all the way around at FMIC lately in every department.

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Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:07 am
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I agree, the DRRI would be the long term amp. I'm not too sure about the HRD III having less problems though. :shock: I'd have to see some hard evidence on that. Modt of the problems I see are usually a bad run of reverb tanks or bad tubes. I wouldn't run GT's anyway. On ta sonic level, the DRRI is way ahead of the HRD III in every way as well as the build quality. QC has been poor all the way around at FMIC lately in every department. I would seriously looking at Egnater. Bet you didn't see that coming did you? :lol:

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Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:15 am
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For hard evidence, search the forum for each amp. Pretty clear. I wonder, what kind of tubes would a great amp maker put in their amps from the factory, oh, say Egnater for example. The Egnater site says "Premium Tubes" are included. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:38 am
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Yep, mine came with JJ's. My tubes are original don't even have GT written on them anywhere. I'm not getting into a JJ vs GT argument.

There are still far less problems with the DRRI than the HRDlx and if you look at most of the HRDlx problems lately, they involve stock tube problems. Also unlike FMIC, Egnater actually QC's 100% of their amps. There are very few reported failures. No amp manufacturer can be 100% though, but at least there is some effort on Egnater's part.

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Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:40 am
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63supro wrote:
QC has been poor all the way around at FMIC lately in every department.


+1000!

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Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:36 am
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63supro wrote:
Yep, mine came with JJ's. My tubes are original don't even have GT written on them anywhere. I'm not getting into a JJ vs GT argument...


Of course not, I didn't mean that. But, as you are aware, Egnater amps have come from the factory equipped with GTs. My guess is that if JJs are/were used, it is probably only for cost cutting and not necessarily either tubes performance or quality, after-all the JJs are just about the cheapest tubes around (that is the number one reason for their use). If it was only about quality, the Egnater amps wouldn't be made in China, and Bruce would still actually make them himself.

But, yeah, instead of poo-pooing the HRDlx III with no justification, why not try a search to compare the III to the DRRI as far as problems reported. The DRRI clearly by far has more problems. But, let me guess, anything that contradicts the notion that anything HRDlx is bad, isn't worth your time to search, right? :wink:

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Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:49 am
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This is where you know not of what you speak. There are many different levels of quality coming from China. He also supplies the manufacturing facility with the boards, trannies and components. The Egnater 20 build quality is light years ahead of anything Fender has coming out of Mexico. Two years of heavy gigging,rehearsing and recording on the Egnater without even so much as a tube change is saying something. It is constantly being knocked around during travel. Not one single problem. Egnater is seriously kicking the competition in the pants. Jet city is doing the same thing. Quality built products that are affordable. Egnater was a premier boutique amp builder when I was a kid. His prices were way out of reach for the regular gigging musician.

JJ's aren't "cheap" tubes. Inexpensive? That's a different story. Out of the new production bottles, they're pretty impressive. GT's have always been nothing but overpriced hype. They're overpriced because of all the overhead involved. JJ's come in matched pairs and quads and really don't "need" another outfit checking them. Why does Fender use them? Because they own GT. :lol: Just a little information, Egnater does build amps here and all the Egnater amps that come out of China are QC'd here in the U.S. Unlike Fender, there IS a man whose name is Egnater who even answered my questions personally. Egnater is no longer a boutique amp builder. He went the production route.

Gigging is a whole different realm than playing at home with friends. If my amp goes up in smoke on stage, It's my reputation as well as a risk of not getting called back for a return gig. When recording for other people, time is money.

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Post subject: Re: amp conciderations
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:18 am
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63supro wrote:
Gigging is a whole different realm than playing at home with friends. If my amp goes up in smoke on stage, It's my reputation as well as a risk of not getting called back for a return gig. When recording for other people, time is money.


PREACH IT, BRUTHA!

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