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Post subject: Fender Twin Reverb Reissue vs Fender twin reverb.
Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:47 pm
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I was wondering if there's a difference between either amp. The other guitarist in my band plays with a fender twin reverb reissue and basically dwarfs me with whatever i try to use so I'm looking for the same amp.


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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:00 am
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The reissue is a PCB board version that tries to get close to the very linear sound of an older Twin Reverb. These big amps (watts and weight) were never designed to get overdriven, just clean, loud, and more loud. Developed in the days before PA's and monitors, when if you were playing to 500 people, the amp had to be loud enough on its own. the great thing is that unlike some amps, a Twin Reverb sounds the same at 3 as it does as 10, so besides ear-splitting volume, you're not gaining anything.

While you may be playing stadium tours, I'd guess that for bars/pubs and clubs, a smaller amp for your friend and you would be in order. Tell him that just because the volume goes to 10, it doesn't need to - around 3-4 it still sounds great.

Still too loud to actually play together in a band? Have him pull the two outside power tubes, which will cut the power in half.

You didn't mention what you have already, but I would recommend something like a Deluxe reverb, or at most a 40 watt super reverb. Use the tilt back legs on a Super to get the sound to your ears, not your knees, and tell your other guitar player to turn down.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin Reverb Reissue vs Fender twin reverb.
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:39 am
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nedorama wrote:
The reissue is a PCB board version that tries to get close to the very linear sound of an older Twin Reverb. These big amps (watts and weight) were never designed to get overdriven, just clean, loud, and more loud. Developed in the days before PA's and monitors, when if you were playing to 500 people, the amp had to be loud enough on its own. the great thing is that unlike some amps, a Twin Reverb sounds the same at 3 as it does as 10, so besides ear-splitting volume, you're not gaining anything.

While you may be playing stadium tours, I'd guess that for bars/pubs and clubs, a smaller amp for your friend and you would be in order. Tell him that just because the volume goes to 10, it doesn't need to - around 3-4 it still sounds great.

Still too loud to actually play together in a band? Have him pull the two outside power tubes, which will cut the power in half.

You didn't mention what you have already, but I would recommend something like a Deluxe reverb, or at most a 40 watt super reverb. Use the tilt back legs on a Super to get the sound to your ears, not your knees, and tell your other guitar player to turn down.


first off thanks for the response, so would you say that these amps are similar?(sorry if its an embarrassingly noob question)


The thing about us is that we are a shoegaze/post punk band. So the point is to be loud until your ears bleed. He never goes past 5 and no matter what amp i use(fender deville 410/crate 65/vibrosonic/etc) i always fall short. Im looking into trying out a fender bassman 10 from 1978, its 75 watts. do you think thats good enough?


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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin Reverb Reissue vs Fender twin reverb.
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:55 am
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Dude...if a 410 Deville isn't going to cut it, it's definitely time for your buddy to turn down. A Deville is suitable for just about any gig, and if that's not cutting the mustard, then the issue lies with him, not you. Don't waste $1,000+, find a different guitar player. JMO of course.

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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:16 am
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Dude...if a 410 Deville isn't going to cut it, it's definitely time for your buddy to turn down. A Deville is suitable for just about any gig, and if that's not cutting the mustard, then the issue lies with him, not you. Don't waste $1,000+, find a different guitar player. JMO of course.


+1!

You might also seek out a clinic that specializes in occupational-health rehabilitation -- a hearing aid will not completely fix what's surely gonna happen to you.

:shock: :shock: :shock:

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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin Reverb Reissue vs Fender twin reverb.
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:36 am
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I'd hate to be in the same room with an amp up so loud that a Deville couldn't keep up. I've already suffered permanent hearing loss, but that would still be painful. Definitely take Arjay's advice and look up some ear, nose and throat specialists to keep on speed dial. In the future you may also be interested in a Cochlear implant.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin Reverb Reissue vs Fender twin reverb.
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:33 am
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The whole "keeping up" concept is so amusing. Here I am a few years back, sitting in with my brother's band......

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The other guitarist had a 100-watt Carvin half-stack and my brother is playing a 170-watt Sunn Model T through a pair of 2 x 15 cabs. By comparison, my "puny" 40-watt Bandmaster with its pair of Celestion V30's was the smallest rig of them all. However I had no problem being heard.

Better to be more concerned with "keeping time" and "keeping in tune", methinks......

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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin Reverb Reissue vs Fender twin reverb.
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:46 am
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IMO Twin Reverb is a better amp than the reissue . That's why after so many years it work and point to point is tought, more than pcb . And components are better quality in Twin reverb.

And Twin Reverb is easier to fix , a lot more than reissue.

Your Twin could need some "tune up" but is still superior amp than reissue.

Conclusion; it is your friend that should sell is reissue and buy an old Blackface or Silverface


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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:11 am
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IMO Twin Reverb is a better amp than the reissue . That's why after so many years it work and point to point is tought, more than pcb . And components are better quality in Twin reverb.

And Twin Reverb is easier to fix , a lot more than reissue.

Your Twin could need some "tune up" but is still superior amp than reissue.

Conclusion; it is your friend that should sell is reissue and buy an old Blackface or Silverface
From a amp tech , yes a original is better than a reissue due to the point to point .The original 65 twin has a 46 yr old well broken in speaker as well as components that have drifted from their original values.They wont sound identical.I bet though the reissue sounds like the original did back in 65 though.Nothing wrong with a pcb amp if the pcbs are good quality.I have been using and abusing my pcb drri for almost 2 years without a hiccup.To the other person, sounds like a volume problem on the other guitarist to me .Seriously, you cant keep up with a 60 watt deville?


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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:59 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
The whole "keeping up" concept is so amusing. Here I am a few years back, sitting in with my brother's band......

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The other guitarist had a 100-watt Carvin half-stack and my brother is playing a 170-watt Sunn Model T through a pair of 2 x 15 cabs. By comparison, my "puny" 40-watt Bandmaster with its pair of Celestion V30's was the smallest rig of them all. However I had no problem being heard.

Better to be more concerned with "keeping time" and "keeping in tune", methinks......

JMO

Arjay



whats the point of keeping time and keeping in tune if no one can hear you ;_;



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TimDrakeMusic wrote:
Dude...if a 410 Deville isn't going to cut it, it's definitely time for your buddy to turn down. A Deville is suitable for just about any gig, and if that's not cutting the mustard, then the issue lies with him, not you. Don't waste $1,000+, find a different guitar player. JMO of course.


+1!

You might also seek out a clinic that specializes in occupational-health rehabilitation -- a hearing aid will not completely fix what's surely gonna happen to you.

:shock: :shock: :shock:

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huh what? speak up


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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin Reverb Reissue vs Fender twin reverb.
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:22 pm
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If you're absolutely, positively, bound-and-determined to blow out your ears, get yourself a setup like this......

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I'll reveal in all candor that whenever I play this rig (which has been precisely once), I fear no amp on Planet Earth!

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Retroverbial wrote:
If you're absolutely, positively, bound-and-determined to blow out your ears, get yourself a setup like this......

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I'll reveal in all candor that whenever I play this rig (which has been precisely once), I fear no amp on Planet Earth!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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As soon as I saw this picture, my tinnitus flared up :shock: :shock:

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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin Reverb Reissue vs Fender twin reverb.
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:49 am
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Aw I knew you were gonna say that, Tim.

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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:16 am
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Maybe get yourself some decent musicians earplugs. They actually work quite well. Lowering the dB without changing the tone of what's going on.

I have a Deville 2x12 and I'm messing about with a 135 watt twin that I think I'm going to buy. I like to play loud enough to feel it but my loud is quiet compared to yours.

If you can't keep up volume wise with a Deville then I personally would either wear the earplugs or look for new band-mates or maybe both :wink:

I can tell you from personal experience that Tinnitus sucks! :?

I used to be in a Metallica cover band (decades ago) I would never play that stuff now. Anyhow we had a full PA and it was monster. 2 x 1000 watt power amps. Double sets of bass bins, mids and horns.

I used to leave rehearsals feeling sick to my stomach!

My ears ring 24 hours a day!

Not enough to really bother me but at night or when I'm quiet I hear it. Now I'm adamant about ear plugs.

Good Luck!

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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin Reverb Reissue vs Fender twin reverb.
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TimDrakeMusic wrote:
Dude...if a 410 Deville isn't going to cut it, it's definitely time for your buddy to turn down. A Deville is suitable for just about any gig, and if that's not cutting the mustard, then the issue lies with him, not you. Don't waste $1,000+, find a different guitar player. JMO of course.



i couldn't agree more .... a deville is a rediculously powerful amp ..60watts when it comes to tube amps is mammoth ....i'm a pretty loud player and my 65 deluxe never lets me down ...i usually use it on input 2 cause input 1 can be hard to harness ...i hit it pretty hard on the front with pedals - comp and od ....gets the tubes all hot and in the fightin' mood!

i started playing on a silverface deluxe - owned mesa, devilles, etc over the years ....i firmly believe the Fender Deluxe is the greatest amp of all time!

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