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Post subject: Re: Princeton Reverb vs. Deluxe Reverb
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:33 am
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Jim Campilongo uses a little PR and has never had a problem being heard... even when playing onstage with Pete Townsend & his Vibro-Kings.

I too prefer the bias-modulation tremolo of the PR as well.

Also, the PR has a different phase inverter than the DR, making the amp break up somewhat smoother & also a bit warmer than the DRRI.

Both great amps- I don't see either on as being "better", play both and go with the one you prefer the TONE of.


These guys are mic'd and have state of the art monitoring systems. They get a great mix right into an earphone. According to his interviews, the PR is not the only amp Jim uses. I just saw a fairly recent Who video from Vegas and Townsend was using Hiwatt halfstacks. I know he uses Vibro Kings too. Usually several. You have to remember that a lot of these guys are poster boys for Fender and what they advertise and endorse needs to be on stage whether they're actually used or not. Jeff Becks a great example. He even had a Fender banner at places like the Iridium. As is Jim and Koch. Has nothing to do with their talent, but remember there's big business behind it.

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Post subject: Re: Princeton Reverb vs. Deluxe Reverb
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:44 am
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63supro wrote:

These guys are mic'd and have state of the art monitoring systems. They get a great mix right into an earphone. According to his interviews, the PR is not the only amp Jim uses..


Actually, Jim ISN'T miced on his monday gigs at The Living Room, and the Townsend gig was the PR... he said so in an interview. While I'm sure that gig was miced, in the interview Jim didn't mention anything about the guitars being put thru monitors... I got the impression is was a "jam session" on stage... He had been asked specifically if he found the PR loud enough and his answer was the story about playing with Pete. If monitors had been involved, since he was asked about the volume of the PR, I'm sure he would have mentioned that.

I don't know if Jim is a Fender endorsee or not, before the PRRI was released he played vintage PRs and VCs. He does use heavily modded PRRIs now as well... and admits the modding on his website. I'm guessing he gets his PRRIs and Jim Campilongo Signature teles for free.


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Post subject: Re: Princeton Reverb vs. Deluxe Reverb
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:00 am
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He used to have a video on Fender's site for the PRRI. All I know is I owned a PR back in the 60's and there's no way you can gig with it on a large stage without it being mic'd and monitored. You have to have a good drummer too. The headroom tanks pretty early too. I read Jim's are modded too. I do small coffee house gigs with a 74 Champ. With a drummer,another guitarist and a stand up bass player. Our drummer can play with us acoustically and we never have to plug a thing in. A total professional.

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Post subject: Re: Princeton Reverb vs. Deluxe Reverb
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:29 am
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Twenty watts and two good efficient twelves go a long way too. There's not whole lot of volume change from 20 to 50 watts.

22 Watts with a 15" goes a long way too :) My DRRI has no problem keeping up with just about anything on stage and I get plenty of clean headroom, if I want to push the amp some more I use my BB Preamp.

More headroom can be achieved with the right 12" speaker also.


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Post subject: Re: Princeton Reverb vs. Deluxe Reverb
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:54 am
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22 Watts with a 15" goes a long way too :) My DRRI has no problem keeping up with just about anything on stage and I get plenty of clean headroom.


+1

My Spankmaster Reverb frequently competes on stage with Super Reverbs, AC30TB's, JTM45's and the like, and it acquits itself quite well .

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Post subject: Re: Princeton Reverb vs. Deluxe Reverb
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 6:52 am
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Both amps sound great. I went with the DRRI, But hopefully will pick-up a princeton as well. I suffer from major G.A.S attacks. I've seen and heard a few guitarist play thru a princeton in small club settings with no problems. With good bandmates and venue, playing at a reasonable volume, I believe you will be happy with your tone on either amp. good-luck :)

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Post subject: Re: Princeton Reverb vs. Deluxe Reverb
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 12:50 pm
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Dutchy wrote:
I suffer from major G.A.S attacks.


One of this forum's functions is as a support group for those afflicted.

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Post subject: Re: Princeton Reverb vs. Deluxe Reverb
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 12:56 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
I suffer from major G.A.S attacks.


One of this forum's functions is as a support group for those afflicted.



"support group"???? More like the G.A.S. DEALER.... :mrgreen:


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Post subject: Re: Princeton Reverb vs. Deluxe Reverb
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:01 pm
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"support group"???? More like the G.A.S. DEALER.... :mrgreen:


Geez, is it that obvious?

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Post subject: Re: Princeton Reverb vs. Deluxe Reverb
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:02 pm
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"........I avoid those too loud assclowns like the plague."

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a good drummer is gold -
when i go from rythm to solo and my Qtr notes to eighth notes back and forth and the drums don't change tempo or when we goto a soft part and the drums don't slow ,,,,
i have played with with alot of guys that you hear fall off, yet they claim they are drummer's!
then when you make music with a real "drummer" you know all is good and it just makes you smile and grin.....

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Post subject: Re: Princeton Reverb vs. Deluxe Reverb
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:50 am
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Fortunately I've always had trained jazz drummers in my band thanks to the local university. Volume dynamics, to them, are key.

I was really leaning towards the DRRI but i played out of a friend's twin reverb recently and all it did was remind me how much i love them.

I can't make up my mind between a deluxe reverb and a twin reverb. If I get one and love it as much as I'm expecting to, then I'll probably just end up getting the other one down the road anyhow.

Does the twin reverb still sound good at smaller venue volume levels? Or does it have that un-opened up weak sound that loud tube amps have at lower volumes? It seemed to sound good at a relatively decent level when I tried my friend's but that was quick and I didn't have any AB comparison. Come to think of it I didn't even touch any of the EQ knobs either. Any thoughts?


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Post subject: Re: Princeton Reverb vs. Deluxe Reverb
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:04 am
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I gigged with my Twin for over 30 years. It still sounded great at lower volumes. You'll never get it to break up at normal gigging levels anyway. Mine was 100 watts and I usually ran it around four on the volume dial. Not that that really means anything. I went to a 20 watt Egnater Rebel amp so I can take advantage of some nice natural distortion of the 6V6 and EL84 power tubes. I never looked back. I love the new rig. I still run two twelves. The other reason I sold the Twin was weight. I got tired of lugging it around.

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Post subject: Re: Princeton Reverb vs. Deluxe Reverb
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:09 pm
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I love my DRRI. By the way, that's enough trash talking about drummers! I am a drummer! hahahaha Just kidding, those heavy handed drummers give us a bad name :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Princeton Reverb vs. Deluxe Reverb
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:50 pm
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I usually gig with 1 of 3 amps; I'm lucky as I've had the same band with only a few folks changing in it since 1995. Stage volume is usually not an issue.

No PA, suspect or we're running it - I'll bring my Bandmaster combo. Sounds great, clean, loud and has tilt-back legs to get the sound to my ears.

Great PA, monitors and separate monitor mixes - I'll bring my Princeton Reverb, which has a Deluxe OT and a Jensen 10" speaker. At 4, it's loud enough, and through a Sennheiser e906 draped on the grill sounds amazing and great in the mix. I also have a 1x12" with a Celestion (don't remember which, bought off ebay) that's the same width; together they sound great and add a nice combo of 10 and 12" speakers.

For laughs, I did bring my Dr. Z 5 watt Mini Z and 1x12 cab to a gig where we had full PA and multiple monitor mixes - sounded great, but no clean whatsoever. For that show, didn't matter.

Practice - small 20x20 room, the Princeton keeps up just fine with drums, 3 vocals, keys, another guitar with a Vox VT100 and a bass player with an Ampeg BR50.

Great little amp, and sounds great for recording, as does my Princeton. For either the PR or the DR, get an amp tilt back stand like the Ultimate Support AMP-150 Genesis Amp Stand - $30, and it collapses and fits nicely in the back of your Princeton Reverb. Tilts it up so your ears, not your ankles hear.

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Post subject: Re: Princeton Reverb vs. Deluxe Reverb
Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:51 pm
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those heavy handed drummers give us a bad name


There's a pleasantly palpable difference between a dynamic percussionist and some ham-handed pud-knocker .

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