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Post subject: Re: Super-Sonic 22 : are the noise issues understood yet ?
Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:55 pm
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My SCX2 came upside down too, with specific instructions of the shipping box to keep it that way. My guess is it is about the tubes. Hadn't thought of it until your post.

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Post subject: Re: Super-Sonic 22 : are the noise issues understood yet ?
Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:55 am
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DOC.TONE wrote:

I'm not dogging their Groove Tubes, but with this amp, quality tubes is key.


With the original SS, breaking in the speaker and changing to tubes made quite a bit a difference... the difference between "the amp doesn't sound good enough for me to buy it" to "the amp definitely sounds good enough for me to buy it."

In the end, I still sold it and kept my Genz Benz Black Pearl, which I do feel is a better sounding amp, but it was a close call. A big factor was the original SS was 60 watts, and I couldn't use the clean channel for any kind of breakup at home, it was just too darned loud. Which is why I'm so interested in the 22. I played a 22 locally, and was impressed, but haven't pulled the trigger yet, as I have been buying GUITARS lately, not amps.


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Post subject: Re: Super-Sonic 22 : are the noise issues understood yet ?
Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:24 am
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I can tell you that dropping in the different tubes calmed the amp down immensely. I have been playing it in my home office and was able to turn it a bit higher on the volume knob. I am not sure how much of it is the 5751 vs the NOS 6V6s.

I played some more last night. Really, the noise floor is way down now... just a mild hiss, as with any other tube amp I have ever owned. The channel popping also seems to be gone, too.

I do think its an amp that requires a little tweaking to get it right. I have not tried to bias the tubes yet. It looks a little more involved than what is involved on my Hot Rod Deluxe.

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Post subject: Re: Super-Sonic 22 : are the noise issues understood yet ?
Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:43 am
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Yeah, I was not prepared for the unboxing. Usually, with heavy audio gear, the box says to open from the bottom so you can pull it over the gear and save your back. So, when my amp came out "head first" from the bottom, I was a little startled.

I wonder if the upside down shipping has any adverse effect on the reverb tank. The reverb on this amp is not nearly as strong as on the SS22 I played in the store.

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Post subject: Re: Super-Sonic 22 : are the noise issues understood yet ?
Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:08 pm
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Yeah my SS TWIN 100 came shipped upside down - it is definately to help the tubes stay in their sockets while shipping. The reverb tank on mine is velcro strapped to the cab so the upside down shipping should not have an adverse affect on reverb. Try checking the reverb cables for loose connection!

So out of the box the SS Twin100 does not have popping issues when switching channels (Fender improved the switching circuit for this amp) , but the reverb does have a low level hiss which never annoyed me at bedroom levels - but luckily I don't play at bedroom levels. I can get rid of the hiss when I use the footswitch to disengage the reverb.

I think the SS Twin is a mighty fine amp, I am disapointed to hear of all the issues the lesser wattage SS amp owners are having.

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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:52 pm
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How do you like your Jazzmaster? Is that the Lee Renaldo?

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Post subject: Re: Super-Sonic 22 : are the noise issues understood yet ?
Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:32 pm
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How do you like your Jazzmaster? Is that the Lee Renaldo?

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Hi DOC

Yes it is the LeeRanaldo JM. I love this guitar now that I have done all my usual fiddling and setting up. I love its simplicity and lack of usual JM tone controls. The build, fit and finish is very good - but I did replace the volume knob and volume pot for 1Meg as I did not like the ones it came with. The modern equivalent WRHB pickups have a nice low output but I wasn't too wowed about the tone. So I bypassed a coil in the neck pickup so that it is more single coil now and removed the unseen poles in the bridge pickup which makes it sound more crisp, and NOW I have my guitar sounding realy good and uniquely mine, and its awesome.

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Post subject: Re: Super-Sonic 22 : are the noise issues understood yet ?
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:16 pm
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A few folks said they preferred the ss22 over the ss60 because the ss60 had to much power. Would it be possible to plug 6v6s into an ss60?

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Post subject: Re: Super-Sonic 22 : are the noise issues understood yet ?
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:03 pm
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A few folks said they preferred the ss22 over the ss60 because the ss60 had to much power. Would it be possible to plug 6v6s into an ss60?


Only if you use new JJ or Electro-Harmonix 6V6s (they are the only ones that can handle the higher plate voltage associated with a modern 6L6GC amp) and only if the bias can be adjusted to accommodate the 6V6 tubes.

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Post subject: Re: Super-Sonic 22 : are the noise issues understood yet ?
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:16 pm
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bluesky636, do you mean GT 6V6 S, instead of EH 6V6? I believe that the EH are not rated as high for the Plate voltage as the JJ 6V6 and the GT 6V6 S. The Plate voltage in the SS 60 is approx 480 volts with 6L6, and will be higher when using 6V6. :?:

EH 6V6 - 450 Plate volts
JJ 6V6 - 500 Plate volts
GT 6V6 S - 500 Plate volts

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Post subject: Re: Super-Sonic 22 : are the noise issues understood yet ?
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:36 pm
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shimmilou wrote:
bluesky636, do you mean GT 6V6 S, instead of EH 6V6? I believe that the EH are not rated as high for the Plate voltage as the JJ 6V6 and the GT 6V6 S. The Plate voltage in the SS 60 is approx 480 volts with 6L6, and will be higher when using 6V6. :?:

EH 6V6 - 450 Plate volts
JJ 6V6 - 500 Plate volts
GT 6V6 S - 500 Plate volts


You may be right. I thought the second tube was the EH. The EH website shows the tube rated for 475 VDC. The JJ is also a "6V6S" rated at 500 VDC. I can't find any specs on the GT 6V6S.

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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:35 am
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bluesky636 wrote:
...The EH website shows the tube rated for 475 VDC...


OK, I have a downloaded data sheet for the EH showing 450, maybe it's outdated. :oops: I have briefly tried the EH 6V6 in my HRDlx at around 470 volts on the Plate, and I really liked the sound, but didn't want to risk it going by the data sheet. If any tube can take some abuse, IMO the EH is among the ones that can. The GT 6V6 S is the one made at the JJ factory, and is assumed by many to be the same tube (I say that it isn't, but....). In any event, I remember that the GT site used to have the specs and now they seem to be missing, but I'm sure that the GT 6V6 S is rated for up to 500 Plate volts.

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Post subject: Re: Super-Sonic 22 : are the noise issues understood yet ?
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:50 am
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shimmilou wrote:
bluesky636 wrote:
...The EH website shows the tube rated for 475 VDC...


OK, I have a downloaded data sheet for the EH showing 450, maybe it's outdated. :oops: I have briefly tried the EH 6V6 in my HRDlx at around 470 volts on the Plate, and I really liked the sound, but didn't want to risk it going by the data sheet. If any tube can take some abuse, IMO the EH is among the ones that can. The GT 6V6 S is the one made at the JJ factory, and is assumed by many to be the same tube (I say that it isn't, but....). In any event, I remember that the GT site used to have the specs and now they seem to be missing, but I'm sure that the GT 6V6 S is rated for up to 500 Plate volts.


Well, the 475 VDC I quoted for the EH was just a blurb on their website, not a data sheet. Maybe they "rounded up". :lol:

I haven't seen any tube data on the GT site for quite some time.

There is tube data on the JJ factory site. Not much, but more than most.

http://www.jj-electronic.com/index.php? ... &Itemid=47

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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:01 pm
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I was just looking on the Cryoset site, and they also said 475 volts for the EH 6V6. I guess that EH has improved their tube. Cool!

"The all new 6V6EH combines a specially developed cathode coating, careful alignment of the grid, and tri-alloy plate material to create a rugged, wonderful-sounding 6V6 that performs flawlessly up to 475 volts."

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Post subject: Re: Super-Sonic 22 : are the noise issues understood yet ?
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:19 pm
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shimmilou wrote:
I was just looking on the Cryoset site, and they also said 475 volts for the EH 6V6. I guess that EH has improved their tube. Cool!

"The all new 6V6EH combines a specially developed cathode coating, careful alignment of the grid, and tri-alloy plate material to create a rugged, wonderful-sounding 6V6 that performs flawlessly up to 475 volts."


Never heard of that site. Got a link? Yeah. Yeah. I can Google it. Feeling lazy right now. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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