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Post subject: Re: Super-Sonic 22 : are the noise issues understood yet ?
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:50 am
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Maybe they found a source for even more cheaply made components. :shock:

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Post subject: Re: Super-Sonic 22 : are the noise issues understood yet ?
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:24 am
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Maybe they found a source for even more cheaply made components. :shock:


Whadday think, supro......Bangladesh or Haiti?

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Post subject: Re: Super-Sonic 22 : are the noise issues understood yet ?
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:28 am
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My guess is Bangladesh. The help lines will probably be going there too. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Super-Sonic 22 : are the noise issues understood yet ?
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:35 am
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63supro wrote:
My guess is Bangladesh. The help lines will probably be going there too. :lol:


Well that's convenient. Folks can get amp advice and check up on their American Express account with a single phone call.

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Post subject: Re: Super-Sonic 22 : are the noise issues understood yet ?
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:41 am
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Post subject: Re: Super-Sonic 22 : are the noise issues understood yet ?
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:01 pm
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I heard that the cleans on the supersonic 22 are basically dead on DRRI tones. Can anyone confirm this? And if so, is that referring to the bassman side or the vibrolux side?

Every since I heard that, it's been in my crosshairs. I had a chance to play out of the supersonic 60 for about 5 minutes and I liked what I had heard thus far.

The way I am understanding it from reading this forum, if you try out the amp in a store and it doesn't have the noise and hiss issues then it's basically going to be an amazing amp?


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Post subject: Re: Super-Sonic 22 : are the noise issues understood yet ?
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:14 pm
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Rossfloss wrote:
I heard that the cleans on the supersonic 22 are basically dead on DRRI tones. Can anyone confirm this? And if so, is that referring to the bassman side or the vibrolux side?

Every since I heard that, it's been in my crosshairs. I had a chance to play out of the supersonic 60 for about 5 minutes and I liked what I had heard thus far.

The way I am understanding it from reading this forum, if you try out the amp in a store and it doesn't have the noise and hiss issues then it's basically going to be an amazing amp?


Not to my ears. It's a dead on SS 22. None of these amps nail the originals very well. Sort of , kind of but it just misses something. I think they fiddle with the circuitry too much. Marketing should just call it what it is and stop comparing these amps to the originals. It's a new model. No more, no less. Some hiss some don't even though I tried about a dozen at different music stores and they all hissed like a bag of snakes. Everyone has a different tolerance to hiss. The best thing to do is spend some time with it. Go early and put it through it's paces. If you find one that sounds great, take that one home. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Super-Sonic 22 : are the noise issues understood yet ?
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:18 pm
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I played around with my SS22 a bit while biasing and checked the big flex cable. I also pulled the reverb driver tube, no change in hiss. Could very well be the board layout for the lead dress. There are alot of wires with wire ties that I haven't got around to checking. The noise factor in mine is not too bad, so it's not priority yet, unless I try to record with it.

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Post subject: Re: Super-Sonic 22 : are the noise issues understood yet ?
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:30 pm
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I think the SS is designed more as a gigging amp, hence the channel switching. And it probably is Fender's most versatile gigging all-tube amp. Live, the hiss doesn't matter. For recording, go with a DRRI or whatever. I for one would love to be able to get rid of an OD pedal on the floor with a channel switching amp for gigs.


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Post subject: Re: Super-Sonic 22 : are the noise issues understood yet ?
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:47 pm
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I actually find I'm not using my drive pedals so much anymore, (barely even my Seymour Duncan Twin Tube blue) just using the burn channel on the SS22. It can go really fierce if you need it, but with Gain 1 at about 12 o'clock and Gain 2 at about 10 o'clock, (and with the 5751 in V2) I've got a lovely clanky old style break up on my AVRI Strat.

The Normal channel is the "Vibrolux/DRRI" type clean, the Fat channel is the "Tweed" tone, which has more breakup/thickness/hair ... much in the ballpark of my old Blues Deluxe, only nicer :)

I just love the sound, layout and versatility of the amp, perfect apart from the mysterious hiss 'n' pop.

Like I say ... barring any tech update from Fender the best way of cutting the hiss if you need to record or practise quietly etc, is a passive volume box in the FX loop, you only need to cut it to about 80% and the hiss is *completely* gone.

I don't know about the footswitch pop, I just try and remember to mute the strings before hitting the switch !


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Post subject: Re: Super-Sonic 22 : are the noise issues understood yet ?
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 2:17 pm
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Like I say ... barring any tech update from Fender the best way of cutting the hiss if you need to record or practise quietly etc, is a passive volume box in the FX loop, you only need to cut it to about 80% and the hiss is *completely* gone.


Interesting. You are actually adding two op amps to the signal path. I think I've done this before, but it's been a while and my memory is deteriorating with age, but I think I'll plug my guitar directly into the return of the effects loop. This should bypass everything but the recovery op amp and power amp. Maybe this will give a clue as to where to search for the noise.

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Post subject: Re: Super-Sonic 22 : are the noise issues understood yet ?
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 2:46 pm
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Mmm, checking .... the addition of the FX loop into the circuit does not add to this noise in itself.

It's definitely being generated prior to the FX loop, that's all that's clear to me so far, as it's the only place where you can turn it down, otherwise the noise is a constant irrespective of any control.

Hmm, would that then also follow that the noise is being generated 'after' the final Volume stages of each channel, as neither of them affect it .. that should narrow it down some ?

Looking at the circuit diagram, it's narrowed to the V3 - V4 area of the circuit, comprising the Reverb Drive, Recovery and FX loop send, the V5 Phase Inverter being post FX loop.

The Reverb control adds to the hiss *very* fractionally as it is turned right up, and a small amount of hum too, but I don't regard that as uncommon in any amp I've used so far.


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Post subject: Re: Super-Sonic 22 : are the noise issues understood yet ?
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:05 pm
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63supro wrote:
Marketing should just call it what it is and stop comparing these amps to the originals.


PREACH IT, BRUTHA!

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Post subject: Re: Super-Sonic 22 : are the noise issues understood yet ?
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:13 pm
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i have the ss 100wt twin.. and it has also a slight hiss and rumlbe from the reverb but who cares its not that bad, when you consider the how loud the noise is on some other amps (fender bassmans where horibly loud ).. but if this is the stage we are at .: ..us wanting vintage amps but not prepared for the inherent noise , instead insisting on ultra clean digital domain types.. then we must abandon the search for sound from yesterday and go with the flow , charachterless sterile booooooring amps... i am glad my amp has a bit of hiss and rumble.. even when i record with it ... it adds to MY SOUND... ha ha .. i just finished a few tracks with a fender 75 the damn thing was realy noisy ..but when it has to do its job (amplifying me ) it was GREAT..listen to the roben ford Album "talk to you Daughter ..you can hear Robens twin and dumble amps realy spewing out that 60hz like crazy!
Result ..... a Damn Cool Album would you agree ??

unless your amp is not doing its job due to this noise problem ...try not to let it bother you!
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Post subject: Re: Super-Sonic 22 : are the noise issues understood yet ?
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:21 pm
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aghud wrote:
us wanting vintage amps but not prepared for the inherent noise


WTF?

Every amp I own is as quiet as a church mouse.

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But you go ahead and enjoy the "hiss-trionics" from your shiny new amp.

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