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Post subject: Re: Blues Deluxe Reissue or 65 Deluxe Reverb ?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:57 am
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I'm going to do the sensible thing and try out a 65 Deluxe Reverb Reissue on Sunday :)

You won't be disappointed! 8) make sure the volume is passed 6 on the vibrato channel, set the reverb around 3, treb 8-10, bass around 6-7, enjoy!

If you prefer guitars with humbuckers then make sure you turn the bass down to 2 or 3. You'll probably need to turn the volume down too, things get out of control with humbuckers :)


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Post subject: Re: Blues Deluxe Reissue or 65 Deluxe Reverb ?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:33 am
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I own both amps
Have had the Blues Deluxe Reissue for about 4 years now
Just got the 65 Deluxe Reverb

Two different critters. I like them both. the 65 Deluxe Reverb is a loud 22 watts
the vibrato stuff is great for surf

I put an Electro Harmonix AY7 in the V1 of the Blues Deluxe Reissue, got more clean warm fuzzy out of the clean channel. I rarely use the Drive channel

So if you get both amps, you won't be dissapointed. Totally different sound, 6L6s vs 6V6s


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Post subject: Re: Blues Deluxe Reissue or 65 Deluxe Reverb ?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:10 am
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You can sell the BDRI for maybe $450 and get the DR for maybe $750 so the turnaround cost is $300. If you are talking about new tubes and new speaker in the BDRI that will cost about $250 so the difference is only $50.


Complete set of JJ tubes from Eurotubes = $68.00
Eminence Cannabis Rex speaker from Musician's Friend = $95.00
Total cost = $163.00
Difference = $137.00, not $50.00


Or...

"Premium Package" from The Tube Store = $124.80
http://thetubestore.com/sba-fender-bluesdeluxe2.html
Celestion Vintage 30 from Musician's Friend = $145
Total cost = $269.80
Difference = $30.20

Or...

"Vintage Package" from The Tube Store = $279.80
http://thetubestore.com/sba-fender-blues-deluxe-3.html
Celestion Gold from Musician's Friend = $289
Total Cost = $568.80
Difference = +$268.80!!!

So clearly the DRRI is the winner! :mrgreen:


Not sure how you reached your conclusion. :lol:

I have the JJ tubes from Eurotubes and just ordered a Cannabis Rex (which is highly recommended for the BDRI) from Musician's Friend. I've played a DRRI and will take my BDRI over it any day. Different strokes for different folks. :D

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Post subject: Re: Blues Deluxe Reissue or 65 Deluxe Reverb ?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:19 pm
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Not sure how you reached your conclusion. :lol:

Do the math :P


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Post subject: Re: Blues Deluxe Reissue or 65 Deluxe Reverb ?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:46 pm
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I'm actually getting quite excited about trying it (sad?).


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Post subject: Re: Blues Deluxe Reissue or 65 Deluxe Reverb ?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:52 pm
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For me it's the DRRI. It's light years ahead of the Blues Deluxe without all the mods. :wink: Built better too.

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Post subject: Re: Blues Deluxe Reissue or 65 Deluxe Reverb ?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:10 pm
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cedarblues wrote:
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Not sure how you reached your conclusion. :lol:

Do the math :P


I did.

I chose an example tube set that I use and have had excellent results with. I also chose a speaker that has been highly recommended as an improvement over the stock speaker and doesn't cost a fortune. Have you actually used or heard a BDRI configured with the tubes and speakers you listed or did you simply select components that were more expensive without actually hearing what they sound like? Either way, my point is simply that one does not have to spend a ton of money to improve the sound of an amp, any amp, if one does the research and shops wisely.

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Post subject: Re: Blues Deluxe Reissue or 65 Deluxe Reverb ?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:17 pm
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For me it's the DRRI. It's light years ahead of the Blues Deluxe without all the mods. :wink: Built better too.


Not wishing to argue because your tastes are different than my tastes, but if what you say is true, why do I read posts in this forum and other forums from people who want to mod, retube, rebias, or have problems with their DRRI?

I'll stick with my BDRI, thank you. :D

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Post subject: Re: Blues Deluxe Reissue or 65 Deluxe Reverb ?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:40 pm
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Seems like there are many more folks modding HRD series amps right out of the box than the DRRI. Not just on this forum but many others too. Someone will mod just about any amp, usually to personalize their tone. The first thing I did with my HRDlx was change out the tubes. I quit after that. I wasn't modding the tone stack, reverb circuit and resoldering every joint in the thing and changing the speaker to make it sound better. Reliability was a serious issue with mine too. Biasing an amp is necessary when you change power tubes. Usually Fender biases their amps very cold from the factory to make the tubes last past the three month warranty period, except for the Blues Jr. The bias needs to be corrected for better performance, it's not considered a mod. I always check the bias on every new amp I buy. The HRD series and RI amps usually need to be retubed because of the crappy stock tubes that are installed. All I know is I don't see entire sites dedicated to modding and repairing the DRRI. The HRD series has the Juston Holten and Billm sites. All this and I no longer own a Deluxe Reverb. I had the originals and never had a problem with them. Quality parts make quality amps.
I agree, tone is all about taste. The problem is even when someone is perfectly happy with their amps, there's always someone telling them it needs to be modded to sound good. Fargen is a good example. They have entire cap and tranny replacement kits for Fender, Egnater and many others. All I did with my Egnater was replace one preamp tube to make me happy. The amp is still rock solid after hundreds of gigging/practice and rehearsal hours. My HRDlx lasted three months before it's love affair with my amp tech. :lol:

My vote still stands with the DRRI. I've rented both and the Blues Deluxe sounds like someone laid a blanket over the cab compared to the DRRI. Just my opinion YMMV. We all hear things differently. Not trying to piss anyone off. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Blues Deluxe Reissue or 65 Deluxe Reverb ?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:02 pm
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i agree with supro. the sound i hear in my head doesn't involve a fender amp (although i hear many things in my head sometimes). i think it's a l.p. through a marshall but sometimes it's some combination i haven't put together yet. try something or anything different . it might be a l.p. into a bassman. you never know until you try.


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Post subject: Re: Blues Deluxe Reissue or 65 Deluxe Reverb ?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:20 pm
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blackstrat71, the sound I was looking for came from Egnater. It's a blend of 6V6 and EL84 power tubes, wattage control and tone controls that actually do what their supposed to do. I now have the tone that's been in my head but unavailable from one single amp.

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Post subject: Re: Blues Deluxe Reissue or 65 Deluxe Reverb ?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:49 pm
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63supro wrote:
All I know is I don't see entire sites dedicated to modding and repairing the DRRI.


There is a lot of stuff out there on virtually every amp made. Here are two DRRI sites that popped up readily. Plus there are dozens of forum threads on DRRI mods and all the major amp modders sell kits for the DRRI.

http://www.reitzel.com/schematics/Fende ... ations.pdf

http://deluxereverb.waynereno.com/index.html

Not trying to piss anyone off either but everyone has their opinions and favorites. Making generalized statements about something without proof to back it up doesn't cut it with me.

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Post subject: Re: Blues Deluxe Reissue or 65 Deluxe Reverb ?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:56 pm
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My HRDlx lasted three months before it's love affair with my amp tech.


A fifteen-month honeymoon for me.

Then banished to the "consignment gulag" at my local music store.

Thankfully I managed to sell it for forty-five bucks more than I paid due to a hefty price increase on the new models and the fact that mine was a virtual cream puff with over three years left on the warranty.

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Post subject: Re: Blues Deluxe Reissue or 65 Deluxe Reverb ?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:44 am
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breac wrote:
I'm going to do the sensible thing and try out a 65 Deluxe Reverb Reissue on Sunday :)


The best thing you can do! And as you said, "sensible".
Your ears are what matter most.

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Post subject: Re: Blues Deluxe Reissue or 65 Deluxe Reverb ?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:40 am
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63supro wrote:
All I know is I don't see entire sites dedicated to modding and repairing the DRRI.


There is a lot of stuff out there on virtually every amp made. Here are two DRRI sites that popped up readily. Plus there are dozens of forum threads on DRRI mods and all the major amp modders sell kits for the DRRI.

http://www.reitzel.com/schematics/Fende ... ations.pdf

http://deluxereverb.waynereno.com/index.html

Not trying to piss anyone off either but everyone has their opinions and favorites. Making generalized statements about something without proof to back it up doesn't cut it with me.


Not quite the same thing. Someone experimenting isn't a repair site.
The other is a conversion just like this one.
http://www.tjadamowicz.com/amps/process.html
TJ is a master of his craft. He converts HRD amps into a hand wired thing of beauty using the existing iron.
I'm not arguing either, been there done that, and it always goes ugly. We all defend things we bought. Usually because we like them. I had a 75 Chevy Vega. A total POS but I defended it to the end. It was my car. I can't tell you how many people try to tell me my 72 Strat is a POS even though they never heard it in person. People who do have an entirely different opinion.

But modding something because you want to, and modding something because you need to are like comparing apples and oranges. Juston Holton and Billm's sites are more repair sites. Billm makes money on his, Justin did his I believe originally as a college project. There are many design faults in the HRD series. The sad part of the reissues is they didn't hand wire them. PCB's don't make them bad amps, I just wish they went the other way and kept them true to the original 65's. I won't own any new production Fender amps. All said the DRRI is a way more reliable amp. I used to gig 4-6 times a week way back and relied on my equipment day in and day out. If I just played in my house, that would be a different story but when my brand new HRDlx failed on me not once but three times on stage, that speaks volumes. Pun intended. :lol: By the way, I don't find reitzel's comments to be accurate. Some people fing the DRRI too bright. All you need to do is clip the bright cap. Not a biggie ans completely reversible. The RI's sound great at higher volumes and are plenty touch sensitive. Could have been his guitar who knows. Stating tone issues and reliability issues are two different matters. The DRRI wins in the reliability department hands down.

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