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Post subject: DRRI Speaker Replacement
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:34 pm
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Okay so i have the older DRRI (from around 1995) which actually has a Fender designed speaker in it. Newer ones come with a Jensen C12K 100watts speaker.

I'm looking for a round smooth clean, also on lower volumes around 3/4. I'm looking for John Mayers sound a bit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6HppOWNWcY


I definately want a Jensen speaker but which one:

1. should i go for Alnico or Ceramic?

2. how many watts should i take. I'm confused because they put a 100w speaker in by default but if you check the Jensen site which is a replacement speaker for the Deluxe Reverb they say a 25 watts or a 35 watts. How does the speaker wattage influence the sound?


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Post subject: Re: DRRI Speaker Replacement
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:48 pm
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I've heard very good reviews on weber speakers.
What strat and what pickups does it have?

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Post subject: Re: DRRI Speaker Replacement
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:56 pm
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bluesstrattone wrote:
I've heard very good reviews on weber speakers.
What strat and what pickups does it have?


Fender Custom Shop 60s Relic LTD with Custom Shop 60s pickups


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Post subject: Re: DRRI Speaker Replacement
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:30 pm
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Weber 12A150. No doubt about it.

Screw that import junk!

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Post subject: Re: DRRI Speaker Replacement
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:16 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
Weber 12A150. No doubt about it.

Screw that import junk!

Arjay


Except, presumably, where Weber is an import? :)


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Post subject: Re: DRRI Speaker Replacement
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:20 pm
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Tom De Ville wrote:
Retroverbial wrote:
Weber 12A150. No doubt about it.

Screw that import junk!

Arjay


Except, presumably, where Weber is an import? :)

Exactly!....if you haven't tried a Weber,it would be worth it,even if you have to import it. :D


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Post subject: Re: DRRI Speaker Replacement
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:02 am
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I'd forget about the new Jensens...

Lot of folks here like Webers, never tried one myself, but the two speakers I really liked in the DRRI were the Celestion Gold and Eminence Cannabis Rex. Similar tone to the vid you posted... the Eminence might have a tighter low end.


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Post subject: Re: DRRI Speaker Replacement
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:53 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
Weber 12A150. No doubt about it.

Screw that import junk!

Arjay


alright, i have a weber mini mass so i'm familiar with their work, which is outstanding! So i have 3 questions:

1. Why the 12A150 (Alnico) and not the 12F150 (Ceramic)? On the website they state that the Ceramics are the ultimate replacements for a Deluxe, so why should i take AlNiCo's anyway?

2. should i take the 25 or the 50 watts versions?

3. should i take a dope? and if so which one (little, medium, heavy)


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Post subject: Re: DRRI Speaker Replacement
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:40 pm
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Here's my experience with Alnico vs Ceramic... Alnicos are usually warmer sounding and break up sooner. Ceramic can be bright and are always cleaner sounding, and they do a much better job with the low end. So it really depends on what you're looking for. I'd go with 50 Watts, not sure about what doping option to go with, maybe someone else with Webers here can help.


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Post subject: Re: DRRI Speaker Replacement
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:51 pm
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cedarblues wrote:
Here's my experience with Alnico vs Ceramic... Alnicos are usually warmer sounding and break up sooner. Ceramic can be bright and are always cleaner sounding, and they do a much better job with the low end. So it really depends on what you're looking for. I'd go with 50 Watts, not sure about what doping option to go with, maybe someone else with Webers here can help.


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The alnico magnet structure saturates and compresses more quickly under overdriven conditions, delivering the warm vintage vibe that the older amps are noted for (think tweed 5E3, which always came equipped with a Jensen P12R or P12Q). The DR platform is quite capable of being pushed beyond 25 watts output under certain conditions -- you may find the 25-watt driver leaves you high and dry at a most inopportune moment. I never specify a doped cone because it damps out even-order harmonics, leaving a sterile "aftertaste" as the note or chord decays.

The only ceramics I own or recommend are true vintage Made In Chicago Jensens or, for more modern rock tones, the Celestion V30 (preferably real Ipwitch-made editions).

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Post subject: Re: DRRI Speaker Replacement
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:14 pm
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In my Deluxe Reverbs,I have the ceramic Webers,in a '66 and a '67,they were designated the C12N,that was 10 years ago,no dope on those two....I have a 12F150 in a '65 DR I bought back in Jan.,I had light dope put on it to keep down "cone cry" which I experience in the other DRs,but you can control it when you hear it....the light doping seems to tighten up the speaker and to my ears it's brighter,maybe because of what Arjay mentioned...I would not want it again...but that's what I've learned with use.
I'm kind of torn between getting a 12A150 to put in that '65,or a reconed original Jensen...or a Tone Tubby..to darken it up some...it never ends. :D


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Post subject: Re: DRRI Speaker Replacement
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:20 pm
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This is a pretty good article from Legendary Tones about a speaker swap for the DRRI:

http://www.legendarytones.com/fenderdeluxereverb.html

They recommend the 12F150, 25 watt, 8 ohm, with light dope.


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Post subject: Re: DRRI Speaker Replacement
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:59 pm
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thanks for the info guys!

Still it's funny to see how contradicting all the stories are. One saying AlNiCo is the way to go for the ultimate fender tone, while the other says its Ceramic

*confused*


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Post subject: Re: DRRI Speaker Replacement
Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:28 am
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SaferSephy wrote:
*confused*


You aren't alone.

Likely, you'll end up a tone junky and relying on the trial-and-error method to (hopefully) satiate your quest.

Most of my amps are equipped with JBL speakers using HUGE hunks of alnico alloy for the magnet structure......eleven and a half pounds, each. These speakers are an acquired taste and it requires intimate familiarity with a Fender amp's tone stack and how they and the power amp section interact with one another to get them sounding their best. But I think you'll find that any quality driver sounds better than the standard-fare OEM stuff used in production amps. I don't know what John Mayer uses and frankly I don't care because I can't stand the little zit-popper (his music puts me to sleep). Real-world observations by talking with local musicians and listening to them play is a lot more useful than trying to replicate some artist's rig. And I'd caution against putting much stock in auditioning a speaker (or any piece of gear for that matter) via a youtube clip. That's basically a useless exercise.

I'm betting you're still confused......but perhaps a little less so now.

HTH

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Post subject: Re: DRRI Speaker Replacement
Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:44 am
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I'd agree that alnico magnet speakers in most amps (esp push-pulls) sounds much more "vintage." Warmer with slower onset of overdrive.

EXCEPT, in the Champ and Vibro-Champ single-ended amps. The Weber ceramic 8F150 really stands by itself (IMHO). Low volume, high volume, creamy overdrive. Even a pretty powerful bass-mid for a small speaker in a small amp--- I haven't heard better. One caveat: it takes a good couple of weeks of playing time to break in the sucker.

I usually do not use any doping. I think that dope-less speakers are a bit more responsive to finger input.


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