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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 8:09 am
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I don't dispute that the build quality of the 60's surpasses that of today. That was truly a golden era for electronics and technology in general. You make some great points and I totally agree. My point was that the subject title of this thread is invalid. I'm a big fan of the DRRI, obviously, and I don't think they are unreliable at all. And I still don't think there is an audible difference between the originals and the reissues. My friend brings his over to my house often and we even use the same overdrive pedal, the Fulltone Fulldrive Mosfet. However, I am no expert, I've certainly suffered some hearing loss from being on loud stages for the past 20 years, and I personally have never owned an original '65 Delexe Reverb. My opinion that the new DRRI's are just as reliable and sound just as good as the originals is just that, my opinion. Of course, YMMV. I do believe that tighter tolerances and higher quality components do make a better amp, so that old debate of PTP versus PCB still has merit and will continue to do so as long as both methods are available for us to own. Again, my point to the OP is that the new reissues are great amps and should not be discounted because of a highly used (and probably misused and abused) display model at Guitar Center. They are great amps and I highly recommend them. And that was a good post Arjay. Keep 'em comin'!

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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 9:03 am
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Same circuit, component for component but utilizing a PCB instead.


Well.........

It's a little more complex than that, Hollis.

While I agree that there's nothing inherently inferior with PCB construction as compared with eyelet boards, it's the quality of the components which populate those boards and the manner in which they are assembled that emerge as the operative issues.

Looking inside a typical vintage Fender amp, what do we find? We see Allen-Bradley carbon-comp resistors. Electrolytic caps made by Ajax and Mallory. Motorola diodes. Amphenol tube sockets. Carling switches. CTS pots. Switchcraft jacks. Shumacher trannies. And the finest vacuum tubes that anybody's money could ever buy. All US-made mil-spec stuff (the same "stuff" incidentally that got the SR-71 off the ground and took us to the moon). And this chassis was hand-assembled by some of the most-skilled technicians in the electronics industry then individually tested before it was ultimately shipped out to a retailer.

Now take a look at a re-issue amp. Yes, it's the same folded-and-welded steel chassis with similar tranny iron but what's inside? Dozens upon dozens of cheap off-shore components imported to the USA by the millions via container-ship and wave-soldered together by machine using failure-prone RoHS-compliant solder (if you were NASA would you risk the nation's prestige and billions of dollars on lead-free solder and Illinois Capacitor caps made in Taiwan?). Then these "minute-made" amps are trundled off to the cab shop, mated to their enclosures, then whisked away to the local GC with only the briefest of QA/QC checks performed.

Perhaps my comparison is a bit melodramatic......it is however a reasoned and rational explanation of why most stuff built today simply does not last.

YMMV

Arjay


This is - unfortunately- probably not melodramatic, but very true.
I had to learn the hard way with my Supersonic 22...


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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 9:08 am
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Hollis Prince wrote:
My point was that the subject title of this thread is invalid......I'm a big fan of the DRRI, obviously, and I don't think they are unreliable at all......Again, my point to the OP is that the new reissues are great amps and should not be discounted because of a highly used (and probably misused and abused) display model at Guitar Center. They are great amps and I highly recommend them. And that was a good post Arjay. Keep 'em comin'!


No dispute there, sir. I also own two re-issues (TR and DR).

Both amps have been lovingly tweaked with tubes befitting their heritage and speakers more suited for my purposes, and both have logged many incident-free gigs since I've owned them (nearly 300 with the TRRI, close to 145 with the DRRI). If both of them blew up tomorrow and went to "amp heaven" I'd go right out and buy two more.

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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 9:19 am
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Hollis Prince wrote:
I don't dispute that the build quality of the 60's surpasses that of today. That was truly a golden era for electronics and technology in general. You make some great points and I totally agree. My point was that the subject title of this thread is invalid. I'm a big fan of the DRRI, obviously, and I don't think they are unreliable at all. And I still don't think there is an audible difference between the originals and the reissues. My friend brings his over to my house often and we even use the same overdrive pedal, the Fulltone Fulldrive Mosfet. However, I am no expert, I've certainly suffered some hearing loss from being on loud stages for the past 20 years, and I personally have never owned an original '65 Delexe Reverb. My opinion that the new DRRI's are just as reliable and sound just as good as the originals is just that, my opinion. Of course, YMMV. I do believe that tighter tolerances and higher quality components do make a better amp, so that old debate of PTP versus PCB still has merit and will continue to do so as long as both methods are available for us to own. Again, my point to the OP is that the new reissues are great amps and should not be discounted because of a highly used (and probably misused and abused) display model at Guitar Center. They are great amps and I highly recommend them. And that was a good post Arjay. Keep 'em comin'!

I agree the DRRI is a very reliable amp, I know many out there that have been gigging with them with no issues... I'd say it's probably one of Fender's most reliable amp they're making today, and IMO the best sounding.

There's something about those vintage DRs though, and yes I do hear differences in tone, something you don't hear in today's amps... I don't know if it's the way they were build back then or the fact that they're 40+ years old. Would love to go back in time and hear a brand new BF DR fresh out of the factory... but for now, I know non of the newer amps can come close to that vintage Fender tone...


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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 6:55 pm
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db0967 wrote:
I have been playing my Peavey Bandit 65 for 26 years without one problem.



one of the best amps ever made. i have 3 and wouldnt trade one for nothing.

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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 2:07 am
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The Pee Wee Bandit is a great amp for you guys.

It leaves more vintage Fenders available on the market......for me!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 4:10 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
The Pee Wee Bandit is a great amp for you guys.

It leaves more vintage Fenders available on the market......for me!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Arjay



you dont need any more.
besides, you know as well as i do that those era peavey are some of the most rugged amps ever built. 8)

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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 7:41 am
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Hi still think the DRRI amps sound great.And five years of playing still going strong. For the money it puts a Big smile on my face every time i here that tone..Cheers..From..Aus...


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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 8:44 am
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the OP has to remember, in GC you have every idiot under the sun that
plays or thinks he can play a guitar coming in there thrashing stuff, rippin the cables out,
slammin them back in another, doing all sorts of things. no amp is bomb proof at that treatment. if you buy quality gear and take care of it, it will take care of you, i dont care who makes it as long as its quality. few amps out there have the reputation
that the fender deluxe has. few amps out there have done for their parent company what the deluxe has done for fender. you can rest assured and bet the farm that fender keeps a very careful eye on their pride and joy amp, their flagship. hell will freeze over long before they allow it to go to hell quality wise. if thats the amp you want, demand it to be shipped to you new, or get a discount for the floor model. same warranty for either.
i dont think anybody will disagree with what ive just said here.

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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 10:23 am
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way cool jr wrote:
in GC you have every idiot under the sun that
plays or thinks he can play a guitar coming in there thrashing stuff, rippin the cables out,
slammin them back in another, doing all sorts of things.


+1000!

Zit-poppers, knuckle-draggers, and weisenheimers, all!

:lol:

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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 1:05 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
way cool jr wrote:
in GC you have every idiot under the sun that
plays or thinks he can play a guitar coming in there thrashing stuff, rippin the cables out,
slammin them back in another, doing all sorts of things.


+1000!

Zit-poppers, knuckle-draggers, and weisenheimers, all!

:lol:

Arjay


Ha! :lol:
You forgot "mouth-breathing"... :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 5:13 pm
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Thanks everyone for your help. I don't need anyone to convince me that the DRRI is a good sounding amp I was just concerned that on at least three occassions I had issues when attempting to try them out. I'm sure if I get a good one it will stay that way because I will take care of it. Hopefully sometime between now and Christmas I will pick one up. I just noticed that GC has dropped the price down to $869.


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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:45 pm
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I just purchased a brand new on from floor of SamAsh at Thanksgiving, took it home and reverb circuit developed swelling hum on it's own. I complained took it back, sales guy said he never saw one do that, I made them order me a NEW one direct from Fender CA. It was perfect out of the box. I have now had it for 5 weeks, I went into my studio turned it on two days ago no guitar plugged in, -0- and a HUGE' hum like I had the amp on 8 with my guitar cord unplugged at the guitar side! Freeked me out. I shut it off, turned it back on same thing, I unplugged the FOOTSWITCH - turned it back on and hum was gone. I plugged in footswitch , and back it came, got pissed and shut it off and left. :evil: went back to it the next day, unplugged footswitch, then turned it on, no problem worked fine, just for giggles I shut it off then plugged in footswitch again, and was ok. I'm not a trusting soul so I turned it off once again, and back on and HUM was back. I fiddled with the on/off switch' insulated in rubber' unlike the old ones, turrned in on/off quickly a few times, and so far ok, I think with out taking it apart it is the on/off switch and the rubber causing it to not fully switch on/off binding it crooked or something causing the hum.

But I am not happy, after paying 1049. for that amp... and have an uneasy feeling about it's reliability for sure... not sure what I will do ... take it back' or call fender, but either way , not what I expected from NEW Fender AMP.

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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:08 pm
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$1049 FOR A RE-ISSUE DELUXE REVERB?????

:shock:

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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:21 am
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db0967 wrote:
Thanks everyone for your help. I don't need anyone to convince me that the DRRI is a good sounding amp I was just concerned that on at least three occassions I had issues when attempting to try them out. I'm sure if I get a good one it will stay that way because I will take care of it. Hopefully sometime between now and Christmas I will pick one up. I just noticed that GC has dropped the price down to $869.

Don't buy from those guys. Go somewhere else where they take better care of thier stock, even if it costs a bit more. You'll probably save in the long run. If you know what you want then maybe try ordering from Sweetwater or somwhere else w/a good rep. Good luck.


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