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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 7:07 pm
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CajunBlues...yeah old amps have some issues at times,sometimes they make noises that would bug the hell outta people who own modern amps...you have to be willing to maintain them and when something is replaced and brought up to spec,something else on the border line can act up,and there ain't no warranty....they're not for everyone...but for people like me,they are what I want to get the tone I need.
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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 8:50 pm
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Rebelsoul wrote:
CajunBlues...yeah old amps have some issues at times,sometimes they make noises that would bug the hell outta people who own modern amps...you have to be willing to maintain them and when something is replaced and brought up to spec,something else on the border line can act up,and there ain't no warranty....they're not for everyone...but for people like me,they are what I want to get the tone I need.
It's just the name of the vintage game.


Sounds like what we need to have is one from the 60's and 70's that was in a dry climate its entire life and never used.. like maybe a closet here in arizona...

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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:37 pm
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CajunBlues wrote:
Sounds like what we need to have is one from the 60's and 70's that was in a dry climate its entire life and never used.. like maybe a closet here in arizona...


Mebbe you got a couple of amps stashed in your closet, CB......?

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Actually, "in a dry climate its entire life and never used" would probably not favor the electrolytic caps. They do require periodic "flexing" by powering them up occasionally. And overly-arid climes would tend to dry them out as rapidly as if they'd been energized and played in the normal manner.

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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 7:30 am
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Arjay:

So, would a humid climate (for storage) be better ? What about rust and corrosion ? Curious to know.... :)

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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 7:37 am
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Anything suitable for finished hardwoods (ie: a guitar) would prolly work fine for an amp. Say, an average RH of around 20-25%.

Rust and corrosion aren't factors where we live but extreme humidity (like in the midwest) is often a problem. And exposure to salt air in ocean coastal areas will nearly always accelerate this issue.

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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 9:42 am
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I wouldn't judge the DRRI's reliability based on what you find at GC... I've seen amps that sounded like crap at GC from Fender, Egnater, Mesa... my 1 year old DRRI has been as reliable as it can be, only issues have been rattling tubes, an easy fix. I've messed with mine plenty, chassis has been removed numerous times, many tube and speaker swaps, it's been dropped a couple times, it rides in the back of my Vette and gets bounced around, still sounds amazing! :D


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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 6:30 pm
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cedarblues wrote:
I wouldn't judge the DRRI's reliability based on what you find at GC... I've seen amps that sounded like crap at GC from Fender, Egnater, Mesa... my 1 year old DRRI has been as reliable as it can be, only issues have been rattling tubes, an easy fix. I've messed with mine plenty, chassis has been removed numerous times, many tube and speaker swaps, it's been dropped a couple times, it rides in the back of my Vette and gets bounced around, still sounds amazing! :D

Not only are you driving the car that I have lusted for since I first eyeballed a sweet
green '67 Stingray, but you actually claim to fit a DRRI in to it. So, iquiring minds just
have to know: does it "stand up" in the back, or have to lay on its backside. And kudos
to transporting in the back; leaves the passenger seat for the beer.


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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 6:51 pm
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DRRI easily fits, the C6 Vette has plenty of room back there... and my DRRI has a 15" in it :) I can take the amp and 2 maybe 3 guitars with me! Super Reverb needs more room, but I can still manage couple guitars, depending on the case 8)


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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 7:54 pm
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cedarblues wrote:
DRRI easily fits, the C6 Vette has plenty of room back there... and my DRRI has a 15" in it :) I can take the amp and 2 maybe 3 guitars with me! Super Reverb needs more room, but I can still manage couple guitars, depending on the case 8)

A C6, you say. Oh man, my favorite since that '67. You am one lucky man (or lady, if so applies). Mine would be in Jet Stream Blue Metallic (wait, that Inferno Orange Metallic calls my name too). Probably a slush box, though rowing might be more authentic (I'm getting kind of lazy, the auto has more appeal now, I guess).

Sorry to digress to mechanicals. We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.


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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 8:44 pm
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There are quite a few Covette fans here on the forum, WTS.

Though I no longer own one, there'll always be a soft spot in my soul for them.

This was our last, an L82-powered '73 Stingray coupe......

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I used to troll the PCH and the 101 in it, gunning for Porsche 924's and Nissan 280Z's.

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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 8:56 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
There are quite a few Covette fans here on the forum, WTS.

Though I no longer own one, there'll always be a soft spot in my soul for them.

This was our last, an L82-powered '73 Stingray coupe......

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I used to troll the PCH and the 101 in it, gunning for Porsche 924's and Nissan 280Z's.

:mrgreen:

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How many 924's and 280Z's dist you lose to? (Note: Loaded question, the 924 was a certified POS, and the 280Z was not much better. Though both are late 70's technology, and you still likely took them in an early 70's Vette).


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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 9:07 pm
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The losses could be tallied up using two digits of one hand -- the thumb contacting the index finder to form the characteristic "zero".

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Those hapless simps usually only saw their adversary from this angle after I blew by them at close to mach 2......

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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 12:15 am
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There are no more reliability issues with the Deluxe Reverb than with any other high quality amp. However, mine did come with a microphonic preamp tube. The hum you heard was probably just a bad preamp tube anyway. I don't believe the originals are any more reliable and better sounding than the reissues either. Same circuit, component for component but utilizing a PCB instead. I'm not one that buys the "hand-wired is better than PCB" hype. Of course I'd still love to own an original Deluxe Reverb. I have a friend with one and it's awesome, but the reverb's a bit wonky. Just don't discount a great amp because of Guitar Center. There are not many amps that sound this good for the money.

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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 1:39 am
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Hollis Prince wrote:
Same circuit, component for component but utilizing a PCB instead.


Well.........

It's a little more complex than that, Hollis.

While I agree that there's nothing inherently inferior with PCB construction as compared with eyelet boards, it's the quality of the components which populate those boards and the manner in which they are assembled that emerge as the operative issues.

Looking inside a typical vintage Fender amp, what do we find? We see Allen-Bradley carbon-comp resistors. Electrolytic caps made by Ajax and Mallory. Motorola diodes. Amphenol tube sockets. Carling switches. CTS pots. Switchcraft jacks. Shumacher trannies. And the finest vacuum tubes that anybody's money could ever buy. All US-made mil-spec stuff (the same "stuff" incidentally that got the SR-71 off the ground and took us to the moon). And this chassis was hand-assembled by some of the most-skilled technicians in the electronics industry then individually tested before it was ultimately shipped out to a retailer.

Now take a look at a re-issue amp. Yes, it's the same folded-and-welded steel chassis with similar tranny iron but what's inside? Dozens upon dozens of cheap off-shore components imported to the USA by the millions via container-ship and wave-soldered together by machine using failure-prone RoHS-compliant solder (if you were NASA would you risk the nation's prestige and billions of dollars on lead-free solder and Illinois Capacitor caps made in Taiwan?). Then these "minute-made" amps are trundled off to the cab shop, mated to their enclosures, then whisked away to the local GC with only the briefest of QA/QC checks performed.

Perhaps my comparison is a bit melodramatic......it is however a reasoned and rational explanation of why most stuff built today simply does not last.

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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverbs seem to be unreliable
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 2:19 am
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serious applause RJ....that's why those DR's and other Fenders of yesteryear took a lickin',and kept on tickin'.
I like the reference to NASA also,my Uncle,the one who started me in music,went to work for NASA in '65 and we have talked many times about the piss/poor components in todays electronics.


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