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Post subject: Re: Another 65' Twin Reissue question
Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 7:13 pm
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What I was trying to get at was that the Blues deluxe will have even earlier break up than the DRRI at least from my experience.

and so if the DRRI gets dirty too soon then surely an amp designed for overdrive won't make him happy.

Hard to get clean punch without the weight as Arjay stated earlier.

At least a head and speaker cab gives you a bit of a break on the weight, might be the way to go.


As I have noted in several posts on the subject, replacing the 12AX7s in V1 and V3 with a 5751 and 12AT7 respectively, reduces the gain through the BDRI to the extent that early breakup is no longer a concern. Replacing the power tubes with decent 6L6GCs and biasing the amp properly (it is biased way to cold from the factory) produces a very sweet tone. The Drive channel now acts as a second clean channel in my configuration and I get all my dirt from a Fulltone FDR2M. The amp will still play quite loud, but now you have to really crank it instead of getting blasted out of the house on "2".

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Post subject: Re: Another 65' Twin Reissue question
Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 7:28 pm
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blues bondsman wrote:
What I was trying to get at was that the Blues deluxe will have even earlier break up than the DRRI at least from my experience.

and so if the DRRI gets dirty too soon then surely an amp designed for overdrive won't make him happy.

Hard to get clean punch without the weight as Arjay stated earlier.

At least a head and speaker cab gives you a bit of a break on the weight, might be the way to go.

I have to disagree, the Blues Dlx is 40 W 6L6 vs 22 W 6V6, DRRI will always break up earlier... I used to own a BD in the 90's, lots of clean headroom... hated the drive channel!

Now if you want clean head room in a DRRI all you need is different tubes and a more efficient speaker. My "Spankmaster", DRRI with a 15", when it had the Eminence Legend 15 in there it had so much more clean headroom. So it can be done, and the amp will only weigh 46 lbs. And the tone from the DRRI is way better than the BD or BDRI IMO...


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Post subject: Re: Another 65' Twin Reissue question
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 7:57 pm
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I have used 5751's in v-1 in nearly every amp I've owned that called for 12AX7.

6072A in my 5E3 clone and that gives a lot of clean for an amp that isnt well known for any clean.

I'm just saying, you won't find the same clean power punch in your face with any of the two big bottle single 12" amps that a twin has, it aint gonna happen!

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Post subject: Re: Another 65' Twin Reissue question
Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 11:57 am
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FWIW and talking from experience, a Mesa Lonestar Classic 1x12 combo (aka The Blue Pig) is not going to be THAT much easier on your back. The Lonestar Special 1x12 combo on the other hand is a bit lighter and easier to carry. I'm 5'4", 140 pounds and 45 yrs old and I can still carry the Lonestar Special without a trip to the chiropractor's office. However, it has a damn nice clean, but does not sound like a Twin in any way, shape, or form.

Just an idea, but how about a silverface bassman? Arjay says that they are just like a silverface Twin w/o the reverb or tremelo (and I believe him) :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Another 65' Twin Reissue question
Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 1:27 pm
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mdortona wrote:
Just an idea, but how about a silverface bassman? Arjay says that they are just like a silverface Twin w/o the reverb or tremelo (and I believe him)


A Bassman (or a Bandmaster FTM) might be a viable option. Speaker selection and enclosure type would be critical though, both to achieving the desired TR tone and to limiting the weight for comfortable portage. An open-back Avatar 2 x 12 cab would work perfectly, with a pair of Weber 12A150's or vintage Jensen ceramic C12Ns.

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Post subject: Re: Another 65' Twin Reissue question
Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 2:04 pm
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Loved the Lonestar Special when I had it, great clean and excellent overdrive! But I still found it heavy... I still think the DRRI is the perfect amp if weight is an issue.


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Post subject: Re: Another 65' Twin Reissue question
Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 2:45 pm
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Definitely can't beat the DRRI or any DR, for ease of schlepping to and from gigs!

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Post subject: Re: Another 65' Twin Reissue question
Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 2:49 pm
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mdortona wrote:
Definitely can't beat the DRRI or any DR, for ease of schlepping to and from gigs!


Amen to that, Matt!

Many gigs I lugged a TR to are now being serviced using my Spankmaster. 54 lbs vs 90+ lbs is a no-brainer!

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Post subject: Re: Another 65' Twin Reissue question
Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 9:12 pm
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Thanks everyone for all the advice. I went with the Blues Deluxe Reissue. It sounds great, but does break up a little when I crank it, it is not nearly as much break up has the Deluxe Reverb Reissue I tried. This Blues Deluxe Reissue is a great sounding amp. No, it's not a Twin, but I can lift it. Someday I will own a 65TRRI, but for now I needed a Fender amp I could lift that would give me a good clean sound. I read all the reviews on Musicians Friend and went with this amp. So far Iam not at all sorry, I love the tone, the look, and the portability. This amp also sounds much better with my pedalboard than the TRRI did.


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Post subject: Re: Another 65' Twin Reissue question
Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 10:32 pm
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Good choice. :D

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Post subject: Re: Another 65' Twin Reissue question
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 12:44 pm
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You digging it is all that really matters any way !

Kinda surprised by the fact that the DRRI you played had more break up than a Blues deluxe ?????
Weird for sure !

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Post subject: Re: Another 65' Twin Reissue question
Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 11:06 am
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Well,just to throw my 2 cents in,I didn't see any mention of a Pro Reverb,they didn't call them the "baby twin" for nothing,I know the real thing costs alot and they're heavier than a Deluxe Reverb,but my '66 Pro Reverb does clean pretty well...but anyway I see the OP settled on a Blues Deluxe...enjoy!


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Post subject: Re: Another 65' Twin Reissue question
Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 11:59 am
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Rebelsoul wrote:
Well,just to throw my 2 cents in,I didn't see any mention of a Pro Reverb,they didn't call them the "baby twin" for nothing,I know the real thing costs alot and they're heavier than a Deluxe Reverb,but my '66 Pro Reverb does clean pretty well.


While the PR is indeed a legendary amp, a comparison between it and a TR is a non sequiter. Even when categorizing and analyzing the "clean" tones, one can discern subtle-but-audible differences since the tone stacks of the two circuits are at variance (mainly the fixed-value mid circuit of the AA165 vs the adjustable middle tone pot of the AB763). Likewise, even in "clean" mode, a certain measure of P/S sag can be detected in the tube-rectified PR. This latter issue actually works to the amp's favor, especially when driven into saturated compression (a near-impossibility with a TR).

When the "right" Pro Reverb canters up the trail, it shall be roped into my "corral".

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