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Post subject: Potential New Prospect
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:45 pm
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A fellow in my area recently posted an amp for sale - he claims is a SF '67 Vibrolux. Speakers were replaced from 2x10" to 2"12'. He sent me a few poor photos, but what do you make of it?

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Supposing everything is original, and that she works nicely, would this be a reasonable buy for ~1k? Does the face look identical to that of a '67?

Just a prospect, and was hoping for a little forum input :lol:. Thanks folks


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Post subject: Re: Potential New Prospect
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:10 pm
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EIA manufacturer codes from the trannies and speakers would be a big help, as would a serial number.

I seriously doubt that the chassis dates to 1967 since it's equipped with a 3-position polarity switch and a grounded convenience outlet on the rear panel. Those features began to appear in 1971. The front panel is definitely not from '67.

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Post subject: Re: Potential New Prospect
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:12 am
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Thanks Arjay, I've requested the EIA codes and serial from the seller. I agree that the front panel does not look like the earliest SF example.

The fellow says the amp does work great. Would ~$1k be a bit pricy for an early 70's model?


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Post subject: Re: Potential New Prospect
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:44 am
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The price seems reasonable if the amp and all its functions operate correctly.

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Post subject: Re: Potential New Prospect
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:24 pm
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man ajay can point out the BS in a newyork minute when it comes to the old gear.
wish i had them skills he has. good eye arjay. thank you for pointing these things out to the OP. now hes been educated and can make a sound decision from it as well.

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Post subject: Re: Potential New Prospect
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:42 pm
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Yep, that's why this forum is so great. Very knowledgeable folk 8)

Thanks Arjay


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Post subject: Re: Potential New Prospect
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:58 pm
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Toronado wrote:
Yep, that's why this forum is so great. Very knowledgeable folk 8)

Thanks Arjay



yes and you could have walked into this deal blind too.
if arjay says the $$ is par for the corse on this amp then i might get it if i were you.

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Post subject: Re: Potential New Prospect
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:22 pm
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This is my late '67 SF Deluxe Reverb,a '67 SF Vibrolux would look the same.
Notice the small black vertical lines between some of the knobs,the aluminum "drip edge" trim,and the original grill cloth.
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Post subject: Re: Potential New Prospect
Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 1:09 am
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Rebelsoul wrote:
This is my late '67 SF Deluxe Reverb,a '67 SF Vibrolux would look the same.
Notice the small black vertical lines between some of the knobs,the aluminum "drip edge" trim,and the original grill cloth.


Correct.

The cosmetics can further be characterized by the "snowman" knobs (the "3" and the "8" digits resemble a stylized snowman), silver/black/blue grill cloth, and a tube chart within the cabinet that's marked "AA864". Structurally, the cab will have a solid pine shell with finger-joined corners and a screw-in baffle of MDF composition board. Any deviation from these details should be regarded as a red flag as pertains to the amp's vintage, authenticity, and/or originality.

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Post subject: Re: Potential New Prospect
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 12:55 pm
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Happy Easter everyone. Here are the precise details which the owner has sent me:

"b64288 02350 speakers 005379 1276-10 465-216"


Looks like hieroglyphics to me 8)


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Post subject: Re: Potential New Prospect
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:02 pm
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Rebelsoul wrote:
This is my late '67 SF Deluxe Reverb,a '67 SF Vibrolux would look the same.
Notice the small black vertical lines between some of the knobs,the aluminum "drip edge" trim,and the original grill cloth.
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i want one of these so bad, i could just puke looking at this pic rebel. :|

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Post subject: Re: Potential New Prospect
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:14 pm
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Toronado wrote:
Happy Easter everyone. Here are the precise details which the owner has sent me:

"b64288 02350 speakers 005379 1276-10 465-216"


Looks like hieroglyphics to me 8)


The owner has mis-read the labels or sent you a typo.

Corrected, the speakers are Oxford 12T6-10's (the identical model as used in a Twin Reverb and previously, the Bassman's built before 1968). These particular samples were manufactured in the 16th week of 1972.

The amp's front panel looks suspiciously like a '72 as well.

No way would I pay a grand for it but YMMV.

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Post subject: Re: Potential New Prospect
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:28 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
Toronado wrote:
Happy Easter everyone. Here are the precise details which the owner has sent me:

"b64288 02350 speakers 005379 1276-10 465-216"


Looks like hieroglyphics to me 8)


The owner has mis-read the labels or sent you a typo.

Corrected, the speakers are Oxford 12T6-10's (the identical model as used in a Twin Reverb and previously, the Bassman's built before 1968). These particular samples were manufactured in the 16th week of 1972.

The amp's front panel looks suspiciously like a '72 as well.

No way would I pay a grand for it but YMMV.

HTH

Arjay



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this is amazing right here lol.
its alway a pleasure to watch you pick a mystery apart.
i often wonder if you find it a challenge or if it just comes naturally.
your the goods bro. :wink:
what is it that you say, "rawk on". (or something like that :lol: )

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Post subject: Re: Potential New Prospect
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:00 pm
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Not to take anything from my Brother Arjay,but it's from years of looking at codes that unravel the mystery,as you put it waycool.
those vintage Fenders have date codes on many components that tell when they were made,knowing what an amp is supposed to be and when it was made,you know what to expect on the parts as far as dates and what original parts were used.
When you have poked your nose in as many amps as Arjay,a mismatched speaker code vs. year of amp manufacture sticks out like a sore thumb.
The amp in question is nowhere accurate in looks to a '67 Vibrolux Reverb,the speakers only tell part of the story....the inside could be a mixed bag of components and therefore not anywhere near the sound of a vintage VR.


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Post subject: Re: Potential New Prospect
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 11:38 pm
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Rebelsoul wrote:
those vintage Fenders have date codes on many components that tell when they were made,knowing what an amp is supposed to be and when it was made,you know what to expect on the parts as far as dates and what original parts were used.


Indeed, most of the important data is available on the internet -- you merely need to know where to look. But I find my memory sometimes isn't as keen as it once was. Thus, I keep my Blackberry loaded with all relevant data. That way I can usually ascertain the bona fides of a particular amp "in the field" when I go shopping. Cosmetics are relatively easy to assess. But schematics and EIA codes are best stored for instant retrieval to avoid buying the proverbial "pig in a poke".

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