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Post subject: Champion 600
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:29 pm
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how is the fender champion 600 current model for a home practice amp.

I will be using amplitube on my iPhone/ipad for effects and run that to the amp.

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Post subject: Re: Champion 600
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:34 pm
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Hi nippyjun,

It is a great amp for home practice, great all tube tone. Check out this thread for some good info from C600 owners/users. :)

http://www.fender.com/community/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=9819

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Post subject: Re: Champion 600
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:48 pm
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I played one in a music store when I bought my Blues Jr. I dunno.
I have owned an Epiphone Valve Jr. for a few years now, and did the Bit Mo trio mod to it. It went from interesting stock to outstanding mod'ed.
Put a Tung-Sol 12ax7 in the preamp and a JJ EL84 in the power amp. Makes a big difference in tone quality.
I'm sure that the Fender can also be mod'ed and better tubes would no doubt help.
I guess I was really surprised how low the volume was.
Not saying that the Fender was bad, I just expected it to be awesome.


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Post subject: Re: Champion 600
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:46 am
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as for small small small home practice amps andy ( :P ) and i will agree that the pignose
7-100 is a great choice and cheap. killer tone and can run on batteries for a loooong time too.
im not to impressed with the 600 myself. i'll gladly take the epiphone mentioned above over the 600.

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Post subject: Re: Champion 600
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:49 am
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shimmilou wrote:
Hi nippyjun,

It is a great amp for home practice, great all tube tone. Check out this thread for some good info from C600 owners/users. :)

http://www.fender.com/community/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=9819



Thanks for the link.


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Post subject: Re: Champion 600
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:25 pm
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nippy,
I am just the opposite. Maybe I got an extra special 600 but it is what I use as one of my main recording amps. I absolutely could not live without this amp. I really enjoy the sound and once the speaker broke in it was even sweeter. IMO it takes pedals well and is a superb practice and recording amp. Again, just my opinion.
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Post subject: Re: Champion 600
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:11 am
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Has anyone here used ipad or iphone apps such as amplitube to play through this amp?

If yes, how does it sound?

Does the amp itself has a clean tone?

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Post subject: Re: Champion 600
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:19 am
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something about this iphone/ipad is the ultimate
in fake that i think ive ever seen.

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Post subject: Re: Champion 600
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:05 am
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way cool jr wrote:
something about this iphone/ipad is the ultimate
in fake that i think ive ever seen.


What do you mean?


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Post subject: Re: Champion 600
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:12 pm
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nippyjun wrote:
way cool jr wrote:
something about this iphone/ipad is the ultimate
in fake that i think ive ever seen.


What do you mean?



a friend of mine just set his daughter up with some phone app and a speaker for the phone. sure it was cool for a 8 yr old kid, but theres no imagination for it at all.
everything is digital sounding, almost robot like if you can grasp how im describing it.
there is no feel to any of it. everything is already figured out for you, you just select and go. no figuring anything out on your own, no real experimenting for any of it.
sure it was cool for a child but for anything remotely serious, nope. he runs her's all through the phone into computer though, IF we are talking about the same deal.

now this is where i expect half a dozen folks come in and tell me im wrong for my own opinion or how great it really is but its just to fake for me.

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Post subject: Re: Champion 600
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:13 am
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Don't know if I agree with the above.

These software amp emulation packages are getting seriously good. The IK Media Amplitube dedicated Fender models (in collaboration with Fender) sound absolutely superb. And if you do a lot of computer based recording - as I do - they are just so useful. The Vox & Marshall emulations are just as good too. Who wouldn't want access to a Champ 57, Supersonic, Twin, Prosonic etc? Not to mention an AC30? And a stack of modelled effects. All for the price of £100.00. With a good monitoring rig, they'll give you top drawer recording tones all day. They're even starting to get the feel right.

My collaborator and I routed some Amplitube sounds through a Stealth pedal into my Blues Junior, and the results were extraordinary. I can see some adventurous players using these in a live setting - no problem.

We do own 2 seriously good valve amps, including a Marshall JVM & 4x12. But by the time you've got them mic'd up, tweaked them, dealt with the problem of cranking them to get a good tone in a small studio setting, Amplitube has allowed you to get your session done and dusted, with a collosal range of tones. And all easily re-amp'able if you change your mind about the amp sound you used when you start mixing..

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Post subject: Re: Champion 600
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:35 am
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adey wrote:
Don't know if I agree with the above.

These software amp emulation packages are getting seriously good. The Amplitude dedicated Fender models (in collaboration with Fender) sound absolutely superb. And if you do a lot of computer based recording - as I do - they are just so useful. The Vox & Marshall emulations are just as good too. Who wouldn't want access to a Champ 57, Supersonic, Twin, Prosonic etc? Not to mention an AC30? And a stack of modelled effects. All for the price of £100.00. With a good monitoring rig, they'll give you top drawer recording tones all day. They're even starting to get the feel right.

My collaborator and I routed some Amplitude sounds through a Stealth pedal into my Blues Junior, and the results were extraordinary. I can see some adventurous players using these in a live setting - no problem.

We do own 2 seriously good valve amps, including a Marshall JVM & 4x12. But by the time you've got them mic'd up, tweaked them, dealt with the problem of cranking them to get a good tone in a small studio setting, Amplitude has allowed you to get your session done and dusted, with a collosal range of tones. And all easily re-amp'able if you change your mind about the amp sound you used when you start mixing..



if you want to sound like a AC30, a twin, a sonic, then go buy them. there is no subsitute for the real animal. pretty soon you will have people trying to cash in their pedal boards for a laptop on a stand. :roll:
you stated that they are even starting to get the feel right. lol
pushing a button will never feel like turning a knob. like i said its about as fake as you can get. no better than rappers taking a sample and looping it.
with this type of thinking, music stores will become nothing more than
a software store. in my worthless opinion, stuff like this is totally fake, requires really no imagination, and is just a short cut to tone, talent, and good old fashion hard work.
i very seriously doubt any of the greats would have dropped their current gear for a laptop
full of programs. this stuff is about as close to the real thing as guitar hero is to a real life situation.
nothing else to say, end of story.
(how does arjay say it? lol)

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Post subject: Re: Champion 600
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:56 pm
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way cool jr wrote:
..you stated that they are even starting to get the feel right. lol
pushing a button will never feel like turning a knob..


Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. By feel, I meant the interplay you feel between amp (models in this case) and the guitar you're playing - general sound response issues I guess, that reflect accurately the nuances of your playing.

I respect that you don't agree. Clearly Fender believe it's an approach worth persuing as they collaborated on the project and shared equal billing on the packaging. They even allowed graphical recreations of their amps in the interface:

http://www.ikmultimedia.com/fender/features/

I wouldn't advocate the replacement of decent amps for live performance. As I say, we have Fenders and Marshalls available for this and wouldn't be without them on a stage, even though it's technically possible. It's a thrill controlling great volume through a physical box that makes your trousers flap around your ankles.. A blast, I'm sure we'd all agree..

But for recording - as I say - (GOOD) computer modelling in a home based project studio has very considerable advantages. I won't repeat them again.

As ever, to each their own.. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Champion 600
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:27 pm
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I also think that the newer emulation software is very good, the Line 6 POD for example. When used with the right amp, the POD's amp modeling is very close to the real thing. Using a HRDvl set very clean, the Marshall and Mesa settings on the POD sound very close to the real thing.

Did Rich Little sound exactly like Johnny Carson? No, but he was darned close, and close enough that everyone instantly knew that Rich was imitating Johnny. Same with the emulation software, very close to the real deal. :idea:

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Post subject: Re: Champion 600
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 8:13 pm
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Glad someone else thinks that Shimmylou.

The guitar player I regularly collaborate with, used a Pod XT Live into a 100watt Roland Keyboard combo for a couple of years. The sounds were fantastic with flexibility second to none. He's a Marshall JVM man now, but still sometimes misses the old Line 6 setup.

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