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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:08 am
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Garry, as of this moment the CT has not been discontinued (I just checked)......

http://www.fender.com/products/index.ph ... ries=Cyber

I'm not even certain how this rumor got started.

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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:32 am
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I don't see anyone here proclaiming to be famous except maybe Johnny. Some of us are just lucky enough to make some cash doing what we love to do. Don't care how much "moolah" somebody else has. Doesn't impress me in the least. I find even mentioning it a bit tacky.

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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:44 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
Garry, as of this moment the CT has not been discontinued (I just checked)......

http://www.fender.com/products/index.ph ... ries=Cyber

I'm not even certain how this rumor got started.

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I think most of the big-box stores are listing it
as discontinued. Fender may still have inventory.


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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:31 pm
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Here is my humble opinion…….some of this might have already been mentioned


- Fender did a terrible job marketing the CT & CTSE, along with the price tag. They were marketed as a emulation amp, "You can emulate all your guitar heroes!.....Hendrix, Page…….the fat old bald guy on your street corner hitting on the school girls as they cross his lawn!"………instead of focusing on and promoting creating your own sounds.

Emulation equates to simply copying someone else's tones to us below average IQ geetarists……..

- The only market with the ability to afford the Cyber twins are the older gentlemen who have been around the block a few times. And we all know how open old men are to new technologies and such!..............A commodore 64?..........what tis this Heresy…………….)

Group of old men surrounding the CTSE with Torches pointing)………….BURN IT…………TIS THE DEVILS WORK…..BBBUUUUURRRRNNNNN IIIIITTTTTT

Fender needed to stop clinging to all the old greats and market to the younger crowd a little more.

- We guitarist by nature are lazy, I want to plug in my guitar, turn it up to 11, adjust a knob here or there for a couple seconds and belt it out whilst swilling rum and cokes until I can't feel feelings anymore.

The CT's required time and work to achieve something worth while, the presets were nothing more then to show the extremes of what the effects in the amp "COULD" do………..not tonal options

So when one was told this is an emulation amp, then after plugging it in and not achieving a decent sound immediately, then looking at the price tag…………..of course this wasn’t gonna sell.

Give you two examples -
Last week my rhythm guitarist and myself waltz into the local music shop, his Peavey bandit of 10 years finally died and was looking for something new. He plugged into the Mustang………Immediately the first couple of tones are pleasant and usable, then we looked at the price tag............

When I first tried my CTSE, it was ok……..but I spent close to two hours in the store tweaking to get something…………………….See the pattern here?

The one place the CTSE lacks is in the "HEAVEY" distortion area, I myself have picked up a Vyper 120 head and cab…………I plugged it in the store……….every single setting was already set to sound awesome…….immediate tonal usage with little tweaking.

People simply don’t want to work for there sound.

I really enjoy my Vyper………and the CTSE cannot compete with the distortion on it, aside from that if someone is willing to put time into it the CTSE is so much more versatile.

And the CTSE does have tubes………………..kinda destroys that complaint doesn't it?.


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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:54 pm
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63supro wrote:
I don't see anyone here proclaiming to be famous except maybe Johnny. Some of us are just lucky enough to make some cash doing what we love to do. Don't care how much "moolah" somebody else has. Doesn't impress me in the least. I find even mentioning it a bit tacky.
Well said my friend.We all come from different walks of life and we all have value. Garry , I agree with you .One of the things that is the biggest downside of these type of amps is the amount of time it takes to get these tones.Most of us want something we dont have to spend time finding good tones.Give me my deluxe reverb and a few good pedals and I just want a few killer tones and I am good.A good overdrive , a nice delay and lush reverb when I want it. Thats all.


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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:29 pm
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cyberguy wrote:
Here is my humble opinion…….some of this might have already been mentioned


- Fender did a terrible job marketing the CT & CTSE, along with the price tag. They were marketed as a emulation amp, "You can emulate all your guitar heroes!.....Hendrix, Page…….the fat old bald guy on your street corner hitting on the school girls as they cross his lawn!"………instead of focusing on and promoting creating your own sounds.

Emulation equates to simply copying someone else's tones to us below average IQ geetarists……..

- The only market with the ability to afford the Cyber twins are the older gentlemen who have been around the block a few times. And we all know how open old men are to new technologies and such!..............A commodore 64?..........what tis this Heresy…………….)

Group of old men surrounding the CTSE with Torches pointing)………….BURN IT…………TIS THE DEVILS WORK…..BBBUUUUURRRRNNNNN IIIIITTTTTT

Fender needed to stop clinging to all the old greats and market to the younger crowd a little more.

- We guitarist by nature are lazy, I want to plug in my guitar, turn it up to 11, adjust a knob here or there for a couple seconds and belt it out whilst swilling rum and cokes until I can't feel feelings anymore.

The CT's required time and work to achieve something worth while, the presets were nothing more then to show the extremes of what the effects in the amp "COULD" do………..not tonal options

So when one was told this is an emulation amp, then after plugging it in and not achieving a decent sound immediately, then looking at the price tag…………..of course this wasn’t gonna sell.

Give you two examples -
Last week my rhythm guitarist and myself waltz into the local music shop, his Peavey bandit of 10 years finally died and was looking for something new. He plugged into the Mustang………Immediately the first couple of tones are pleasant and usable, then we looked at the price tag............

When I first tried my CTSE, it was ok……..but I spent close to two hours in the store tweaking to get something…………………….See the pattern here?

The one place the CTSE lacks is in the "HEAVEY" distortion area, I myself have picked up a Vyper 120 head and cab…………I plugged it in the store……….every single setting was already set to sound awesome…….immediate tonal usage with little tweaking.

People simply don’t want to work for there sound.

I really enjoy my Vyper………and the CTSE cannot compete with the distortion on it, aside from that if someone is willing to put time into it the CTSE is so much more versatile.

And the CTSE does have tubes………………..kinda destroys that complaint doesn't it?.


You make some excellent points, CG.

I've heard these amps before under professional conditions and some of them do not sound bad. From conversations I've had with the owner/players, there does seem to be a direct correlative between how long one spends "learning the ropes" as it were and getting some sonic satisfaction from the amp. And you're right -- novel technology like the CT is frequently misunderstood by the uninformed, especially Luddites such as myself. There is likely a place for these amps but I wouldn't throw proven vacuum-tube technology under the bus in an effort to force "progress" onto the guitarist community at large. That's a fool's errand, much like legislating what kind of light bulb can lawfully be sold or mandating how many gallons of water a toilet may consume during a flush cycle.

My two cents'......

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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:38 pm
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Very well stated Arjay.


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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:38 pm
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excellent points except for the personal digs. even arjay is coming around a tiny bit. mazel tov.

indeed, the cyber twins are probably the most misunderstood amps ever produced. ZERO Fender support on top of that, there's just us to teach ourselves and support each other. the technology and design are sound. many great tones are most definitely in there, maybe not all, but many. the fact that the cyber twin is a tone lab and can be computer controlled and nearly instantly setup/configured is a remarkable & historical first for fender. no other amp before the cyber twin had this capability, the cyber twin is a historical first for fender on many levels. and for us.

the war fought for the acceptance and recognition of the cyber twin as a professional amp worthy of some praise is insane, guitar-brother beating up guitar-brother, yet on the same side after the smoke clears. we all want good gear and our personal slice of heaven.

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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 6:42 am
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well Johnny,most of us who have been in the music game for a long time have gone in different directions,only to settle on one side or the other,tubes or solid state (to simplify the two),since there are so many variations now of both.
I've used both but did not have such technology as the CT at any forks in the road,or I might be an owner of one and firmly planted on that side....but I'm a toober now. :)
But you said it in your last sentence,we all want what we sound best with,anything less and we would not be doing ourselves justice,no matter what the gear of choice.
It would be a boring music world if we all played the same gear.
I say let the smoke clear for awhile. :wink:


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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:22 am
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Johnny a civil post Im proud of you. This is all we ask. I have nothing bad to say about a CT because I never tried one. Ive in my 50 yrs on earth have found the sound I like from my gear but I still like to play around with thinks and someday if I come across a CT for a very good price I will pick it up. Im sure if they are selling good enough they won,t be going away very soon.


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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:44 pm
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Who said they are not discontinuing this amp? I confirmed this with someone at Fender a few months ago. I guess they still have stock left and are looking to sell this before taking the cyber off the site completely.


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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:45 pm
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I for one am a big fan of the cyber twin se. I had three of them sold two of them and almost sold the last one a few weeks ago and changed my mind. Just because fender chooses to abandon this doesn't mean it's not an excellent product with great tone and great features.


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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:53 pm
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Bottom line is i just can't be without it. I tried to just go in the tube direction and love tube amps but the cyber twin se gives you something no other amp can. And i for one don't want to be a fan of the cyber twin and think Fender is on the right track by discontinuing it; however, it's all a matter of marketing. I sold two of these in the past thinking i wouldn't miss it. I was Dead Wrong. The tubes satisfied the me for a short while but i missed the versatility at basically have and endless amount of amps at my disposal in one box. I was going to sell my most recent cyber twin se a few weeks ago and then got cold feet at the last minute when i started thinking of all the features. I a/b'd my blues junior and a couple of my presets on the cyber twin and noticed i loved the sounds of both just in different ways. You can be a toober and enjoy the cyber twin se and I hope Ed Treat at fender has listened to my emails and people are reading these posts and maybe fender can come up with a new cyber model hopefully with analog reconfig. preamp and poweramp toobs.

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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 4:11 am
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Finally - back to the amp. You have to enjoy, or at least be interested in tinkering, to enjoy the Cyber Twin; if you do, it's got great and varied tonal possibilities. I love mine, and love tube amps; comparison was never the point.


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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:51 pm
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I recently tried a CT and here is my assessment. It can produce some really nice tones. BUT...just too much stuff for me. I prefer the basicsof my tube amp, volume, treble, bass, reverb and nice jewel light :lol: That is all i need to get the tone I like. For those guys that enjoy all the bells and whistles of the CT I say awesome you have more patience than I do. But I am glad that we all have differing tastes.
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