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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:31 pm
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"It was the 'guitarist' who 'killed' the vision IMHO." there's truth in that. i still am stunned by guitarists who react so negatively to any amp that's solid state or computerized simply because they are that way. way too jihad. and for what?

you are right too, fender made a tremendous effort to get the CT and SE right. the design team got ->most<- things right. the CTs and SEs are good amps with some pretty bad factory presets and jumpy tuner (but better than no tuner).

the real revolution was that we got a complete tone lab dressed up as an amp. taking one more step up the capability ladder, you can sequence a whole bunch of tones with this one amp for one set after another. never has this kind of tone and tone control been offered in such a low cost package. to equal what the SE offers, you will need a 19 rack stacked with equipment at least 10 times the cost and way more complicated.

to my point concerning the lack of promotion and support, compare what the Mustang gets against what the SE got. easy to see the total neglect. shame.

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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:29 pm
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johnny stecchino wrote:
the real revolution was that we got a complete tone lab dressed up as an amp.


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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:19 am
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... Oh well :? ....
I still like, and prefer, my Cyber-Twin SE over other amps. 8)
Of course, I still have my tube amps too - but they are packed away in a closet. :wink: And haven't seen any use since I duplicated the sounds on my CT SE. (Please keep in mind, before you make any negative comment, - that YOU weren't here to hear the sounds - before or after (excluding recordings, of course) - Thank You! :roll: )
It has proved, over the years, to be an excellent amp in all respects - for performance's and recording. (excellent amp for recording - given all the options it has :!: )

( I obviously think it is worth the money, since I bought and continue to use it :mrgreen: ) (Looking back, in hind-sight, - it's worth every penny - at least IMHO :mrgreen: )

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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:39 am
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Here's a crazy thought: perhaps Fender could build the best modeling amp in the world, and very few people would buy it. At the same time, Line6 could produce the best all-tube amp, without any sort of modeling, and very few people could buy it.

It could be that the Fender name hurt the amp more than it helped the amp. Sometimes brands have such strong associations, that any move outside the box of perception will be a failure, no matter how good the execution is.


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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:31 pm
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johnny stecchino wrote:
the real revolution was that we got a complete tone lab dressed up as an amp.


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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:25 pm
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I DON'T BELIEVE IT! arjay and budglo in the same picture!

Now i know you guys are close, it's just the travelling hands and that romantic "let's hump the neighbor's dog" look and the other guarding his honor for the right occassion playing oh so hard to get. you guys drink at the same bar or something? from each other's glasses?

toobers. arjay knows. but will budglo take the bait?

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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:12 am
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Yeah, yeah......our secret's out.

Actually, in that photo we're commiserating the fact that we won't be around in 2094 when FMIC releases the Custom Shop re-issue Cyber Twin.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:00 pm
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In the beginning, the main reason I brought the CT was that I recording my demos for the first CD with a BOSS BR-8 recorder, and the internal COSM amp effects. I realized that I couldn't duplicate most of the amps models live, well, just not the way I wanted.

So, when I demoed the CT at NAMM, and found how easy it was to get the tones I had recorded with, I wanted one. I remember that I got it on a Thur, and we had a gig the next night. I spent most of Fri, tweak, and creating amp presets....only to find that at the gig, the amp presets sounded different than at home!

Since we were playing out-of-town, I had to use it. I wished that I haven't gotten it. I got to the venue early the next day for the soundcheck, and tweaked the amp presets some more. I was happy, but not that happy. During the next week, I really sat down with the CT and I realized what amp tones I could get, and create.

I never took my original 4x10 tweed Blues DeVille out to play after using my CT.

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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:52 pm
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Monsieur Arjay, actually, I would expect it or something like it. It was a milestone first for Fender. They produced a modern amp unlike anything before or since (including the Mustangs). A remarkable achievement no matter how you slice it. I think history will bear this out.

I too had a bunch of tube amps, the finest gear (TRRI, PTTR, various Marshalls, etc...). When I bought the SE, I was really miffed at how difficult it was to setup, frankly, I really didn't understand it and I expected Fender support, guidance, which never came. But I knew the tones were in there, and they were. Well I no longer have toob gear, only my SE's, CT's, one JC-120, and Cyber Commander.

One other thing, when setting up the SE/CT, you should really do it at volume in a somewhat open room. There is an interaction between the guitar resonance, the natural room resonance, natural room reverb, your ears, etc... DO NOT USE HEADPHONES or you will get a surprise. What goes through headphones is a bit different than what fills the room (through the speakers).

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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:00 pm
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Personally, I think there has been some good points made on this forum.
For starters, I never really thought of Fender as being much of a solid-state amp producer (not really until the mustangs debut). When I think of proffessional solid states, I think of like the legendary Roland JC-120 and such. (which I would love to have btw)

Though the CT is a great amp, I think for the price I could go with a pretty amazing tuber, like the twin reverb (or, I tend to like the super sonic even more). In the time it would take for me to purchase any $1000 amp, I probably would have built up quite a pedal collection.

I just think more guitarists are looking for that tube sound though, and fender has been answering the call for decades... Many follow the K-I-S-S method, and tend to stray away from modeling amps with hundreds of configurations (even if they are as good as the CT's)


Personally, I like to have all of my sound modding at my feet with my little pedal board. I get sounds that fender could never truely replicate (like a EHX big muff distortion) If I feel like doing something crazy, I'll mod it up with my Digitech RP.

No offense to you Johnny, but I'm kinda on the side with Arjay. haha, you could call me anything you want though, I don't really care. :P

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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:04 pm
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BTW: you may notice that I have a pic of an old '68 ampeg Rocketreverb in my sig, but that doesn't mean I'm tube-biased.

I worked at a music store, and I've played some really great solid states (again, my favorite being the JC-120). That ampeg though has a sound of its own. It sounds like nothing else, tube or solid state

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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:12 pm
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Although I never owned a Cyber Twin, I did have a Cyber Deluxe for awhile. I will say it was a really nice sounding amp but I think most players really prefer a less complex approach. The Cyber amps were well built and sounded good but you can also get that in a traditional Fender amp without the additional work it takes to find "your sound." The good news for anyone who wants one is that their value has dropped on the used market to the point that for very little cash you can buy a nice one.


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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:26 pm
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I'm just thankful that Fender, to its credit, offers something for everybody -- be they techno-dweeb or Luddite.

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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:27 pm
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amen to that 8)

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Post subject: Re: Why discontinue the Cyber Twin?!
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:23 am
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i think we are communicating.

don't get me wrong on being totally anti-tube. i have a very soft spot for a showman and if it re-issued, i would snap it up on day one. but this would be the only one.

i do love my Cyber Twins (and JC-120). way too bad about the SE bitting the dust. TS i suppose. if you guys get the chance, deep dive into a SE and see for yourselves before they drop out of existence. i wouldn't expect any converts, but it's worth the learning experience.

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