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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:59 pm
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16 watts is pretty loud. I sold a 76 Twin last year. Thats loud. Remember a 30 watt amp is not twice as loud as a 15 watter.


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16 watts gets slaughtered in jams against HRDs and Bassmans and Supers. I know form experience. It sounds awesomeley loud in your room. Awesomely small in a medium to large venue w/out micing.

BTW, the Carvin Nomad has a real wood cab (not particle board) and a cab/spkr-compensated out which attempts to mimic what a mike would pick up in front of the cab. Super convenient for gigs--just run that into your PA. Miking amps live is a hassle.


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Maruuk wrote:
16 watts gets slaughtered in jams against HRDs and Bassmans and Supers. I know form experience. It sounds awesomeley loud in your room. Awesomely small in a medium to large venue w/out micing.

BTW, the Carvin Nomad has a real wood cab (not particle board) and a cab/spkr-compensated out which attempts to mimic what a mike would pick up in front of the cab. Super convenient for gigs--just run that into your PA. Miking amps live is a hassle.


How would you rank these, in terms of desirability:

Carvin Vintage Nomad
Peavey Classic 30
Fender Blues Junior
Laney LC15R
Fender SXCD


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I would keep saving my money and get something better. If 16 watts gets lost in the mix, you're band is too loud or the amp won't cut. If your amp won't cut, it's the amp not the wattage. I've used my SF Champ through 2 10's and it cut just fine with 25 watt amps. A loud stage just winds up going through the vocal mics and into the pa system and makes it harder for the sound man to do his job. I've played festivals with mic'd 20 watters.
Besides it's not really who is the loudest. It's how you sound that counts. I have tinnitus from playing that game.

The point is, it's going to be real hard to find a really good amp for the cash you want to spend. Keep looking. Don't waste you money on a sub-standard amp.


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I just got a brand new BDRI for $585. Either save up another $85 or look for a used one. As for the 45 lbs, eat some spinach! This amp is more than worth it !!!


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Serious players who have been playing the HRD often go bananas upon playing the BDRI for the first time and switch. Especially blues players where expressiveness and dynamics and touch and warm, mid-range bloom rules. It's that good.

I live in the real world, and in that world, the house band you're jamming with won't let you run a line or mic into their PA. And the 18-year old punk next to you with the 35-watt Bandmaster is completely drunk and has it dimed which has driven the bass player and the drummer louder. Now your BJ is a little mosquito lost in the hurricane.

In the real world of drunks, raucous crowds, blown PAs (yeah sometimes your amp has to double as the house PA) and guys with 135-watt Cyber Twins who want to sit in with you, having a little extra headroom in your kit pays off bigtime when the chips are down.

In the unreal world where you are Bossman Muddy Waters and the slightest sideways glance on your part glance causes your rhythm guitarist to turn down one BF number...great, run your battery-powered mini-Twin with the 2" speakers through your PA. Carry your amp to the gig in your back pocket.

Back in the real world, where you drove 50 miles to the gig in freezing rain and the bar owner's nephew suddenly wants to sit in with his shiny new TRRI...and it's already on "10" since it's never been off "10"...

...it's good to have something under the hood.


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Maruuk,

Man, you crack me up. I haven't had to play in those situations for over 20 years. he should just get a Twin and be done with it. Plenty of power for almost any situation. Most of the places I play in today will shut you down if it gets out of hand. I never really enjoyed playing in dives. I like to choose the people I perform with.

If you want expressiveness and dynamics, you really can't beat a 5e3 or a Deluxe Reverb.


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Maruuk wrote:
Serious players who have been playing the HRD often go bananas upon playing the BDRI for the first time and switch. Especially blues players where expressiveness and dynamics and touch and warm, mid-range bloom rules. It's that good.

I live in the real world, and in that world, the house band you're jamming with won't let you run a line or mic into their PA. And the 18-year old punk next to you with the 35-watt Bandmaster is completely drunk and has it dimed which has driven the bass player and the drummer louder. Now your BJ is a little mosquito lost in the hurricane.

In the real world of drunks, raucous crowds, blown PAs (yeah sometimes your amp has to double as the house PA) and guys with 135-watt Cyber Twins who want to sit in with you, having a little extra headroom in your kit pays off bigtime when the chips are down.

In the unreal world where you are Bossman Muddy Waters and the slightest sideways glance on your part glance causes your rhythm guitarist to turn down one BF number...great, run your battery-powered mini-Twin with the 2" speakers through your PA. Carry your amp to the gig in your back pocket.

Back in the real world, where you drove 50 miles to the gig in freezing rain and the bar owner's nephew suddenly wants to sit in with his shiny new TRRI...and it's already on "10" since it's never been off "10"...

...it's good to have something under the hood.


I hear ya, bro. I'll keep lookin'.


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ratboy wrote:
I just got a brand new BDRI for $585. Either save up another $85 or look for a used one. As for the 45 lbs, eat some spinach! This amp is more than worth it !!!


Where'd ya find it? Ebay? Craigslist? I keep hearin' great things about the DRRI, which can be had for the same price, if you're in the right place at the right time. It's more manageable, too.

Thanks.


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I would keep saving my money and get something better. If 16 watts gets lost in the mix, you're band is too loud or the amp won't cut. If your amp won't cut, it's the amp not the wattage. I've used my SF Champ through 2 10's and it cut just fine with 25 watt amps. A loud stage just winds up going through the vocal mics and into the pa system and makes it harder for the sound man to do his job. I've played festivals with mic'd 20 watters.
Besides it's not really who is the loudest. It's how you sound that counts. I have tinnitus from playing that game.

The point is, it's going to be real hard to find a really good amp for the cash you want to spend. Keep looking. Don't waste you money on a sub-standard amp.


Read on. I hear ya, though...


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ratboy wrote:
I just got a brand new BDRI for $585. Either save up another $85 or look for a used one. As for the 45 lbs, eat some spinach! This amp is more than worth it !!!


Where'd ya find it? Ebay? Craigslist? I keep hearin' great things about the DRRI, which can be had for the same price, if you're in the right place at the right time. It's more manageable, too.

Thanks.

New BDRI for $585 on MusiciansFriend (I had a 10% off coupon). Free shipping and no tax in my state.


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ratboy wrote:
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ratboy wrote:
I just got a brand new BDRI for $585. Either save up another $85 or look for a used one. As for the 45 lbs, eat some spinach! This amp is more than worth it !!!


Where'd ya find it? Ebay? Craigslist? I keep hearin' great things about the DRRI, which can be had for the same price, if you're in the right place at the right time. It's more manageable, too.

Thanks.

New BDRI for $585 on MusiciansFriend (I had a 10% off coupon). Free shipping and no tax in my state.


OOOhhhhh... I just missed the "15% off anything in the store" sale at Sam Ash yesterday. Rats!


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I would take a used Deluxe Reverb Reissue over a Blues Deluxe Reissue any day of the week. the Deluxe Reverb is just better built and is a seriously time tested circuit. The Deluxe Reverb is just a tone monster.


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A good place to check is those blems, B-stock and opened box specials you see in tiny print on a lot of the online dealers web store pages. Sweetwater, AMS (love their 3-pay plan!), MF, GC (same thing), Zzounds, most have something like that. Once saw a DRRI blem with full factory warranty (5 years!) at AMS going for like $565 on those back pages.

Vigilence!


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63supro wrote:
I would take a used Deluxe Reverb Reissue over a Blues Deluxe Reissue any day of the week. the Deluxe Reverb is just better built and is a seriously time tested circuit. The Deluxe Reverb is just a tone monster.

Uh, I may "take" one too, but since I had to pay for it I chose the Blues deluxe. Pretty good bang for the buck.


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