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Post subject: effects loop vs. in series
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:52 am
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I'm wondering. I have a 2010 Hot Rod DeVille 2x12 and I've been using the pre out and the power amp in for my effects loop. Would running them in series through my guitar input make any diff?
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Post subject: Re: effects loop vs. in series
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:10 am
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Hi jimmi440,

The general consensus seems to be that time based effects, such as delays, work best in the loop, while distortion/drive effects, such as a tube screamer, work best into the input jack. But, there is no "right way" to do it, try each effect in the loop, and in the input jack, to see what sounds good to you. :)

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Post subject: Re: effects loop vs. in series
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:33 am
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It depends on what the effect is. A phaser pedal can be placed in a few different places. Delay and tremolo and reverb tend to work best in the loop, but...since your loop is labeled Pre-out and Pwr in or some such, and SEND and RETURN there is a good chance that is a non-buffered, line level loop. You might want to place a buffer in the effects loop if you use a lot of pedals, OR you can simply connect a cord from the pre amp out to the power amp in. This should create a tone sag if your amp is pushed enough.


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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 8:41 am
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The effects loop is buffered, in and out. And, if you connect a cable from Preamp Out to Power amp in, you will only needlessly add two halves of a solid state chip into the signal path, you won't get any sag, but you may lose a little of the tubes tone. Many consider the loop to be somewhat of a tone robber. :idea:

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Post subject: Re: effects loop vs. in series
Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:42 am
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efx loops are tone robbers... that is a given... it has been tried and tested by many, efx running into the front of the amp sound better but keep in mind that if you are running a delay pedal and you still want to use the drive on the amp then use the efx loop rather... distorted delay just dosnt sound good...

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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:40 pm
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I never use the effects loop even on amps equipped with them,as da rok said they are tone robbers.I have found that the highs and mids especially are affected by the loop as they cut off the top end of the highs in particular.I have always found that I get a much fuller and less muddy sound by going direct from my effects into the instrument input.

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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:41 pm
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guitslinger wrote:
I never use the effects loop even on amps equipped with them,as da rok said they are tone robbers.I have found that the highs and mids especially are affected by the loop as they cut off the top end of the highs in particular.I have always found that I get a much fuller and less muddy sound by going direct from my effects into the instrument input.


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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:47 pm
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Plus if you use the effect loop that means you have that many more cords running all over the place! That can be a pain in the ...


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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:04 pm
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guitslinger wrote:
I never use the effects loop even on amps equipped with them,as da rok said they are tone robbers.I have found that the highs and mids especially are affected by the loop as they cut off the top end of the highs in particular.I have always found that I get a much fuller and less muddy sound by going direct from my effects into the instrument input.


I go back and forth on this issue... I have a HRD, I just can not hear a difference. I run my modulators in the loop, and my distortions in the front... Anyway it all will work, its just whatever you prefer

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