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Post subject: Re: Haters gonna hate...
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:20 am
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...Somehow I haven't had any Rivera amps or vintage Fender amps blow up on me. Strange that.


And neither has your BJr blown up, what's your point? The verdict isn't even in yet on why the amp went boom. Surely you aren't suggesting that this one amp problem means that all BJr amps are "bad".

You did well when extolling the virtues of the BJr in your previous post.

I'll tell you why I bought a Blues Junior. ...tube amp tone in a light portable package that I could take to informal home basement jams on a whim...and without all the work and physical mass of a full blown rig. It was also the cheapest amp I could find in that category...

In the same category and price range, you can not do any better than the BJr, to expect that a BJr will sound like a much more expensive amp is pushing it a little, to say the least. And, comparing a BJr to a Mesa, Soldano, or Rivera is beyond the pale. :idea:

IMO, I don't think that your were insulting. But, I also think that by insightful, you may just mean incite-ful. :wink:

Retroverbial,

Hey, how about sharing the links to all of the BJrs blowing up with "exponentially-increasing regularity". You aren't trying to pull a 63supro and expand the HRDlx problems to include all HRds are you? Doesn't wash. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Changing my mind on the HRs
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:56 am
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No, you're right. My BJ still works fine for the moment but I also don't use it so that might be a factor in it lasting a while too. The only time it gets powered up is when someone comes over to try it out. I have been posting it for sale from time to time in the local classifieds. I did have an issue with the Blues Deville 212 I once owned. That was a number of years ago and I can't remember what the amp repair guy told me he had to do to get it up and running again. It was not a terribly expensive repair bill, around $65 back in 1997 if memory serves. In the recesses of my mind I think it may have been a broken connection needing resoldering but don't quote me because I'm just not sure. The one thing I do remember is that the largest share of the bill was related to tracking down the issue.

If it helps to appease the wounded feelings of BJ owners out there perhaps they may take comfort from the notion that it's quite possible the reason I have had little success selling the amp is because I publicly belittle them on forums like this one. From your own perspective you may well feel revenge is sweet. Knock yourselves out. It don't bother me. The amp will go sooner or later.

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Post subject: Re: Haters gonna hate...
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:20 pm
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Retroverbial,

Hey, how about sharing the links to all of the BJrs blowing up with "exponentially-increasing regularity". You aren't trying to pull a 63supro and expand the HRDlx problems to include all HRds are you? Doesn't wash. :lol:


The "problems" are themselves expanding thoughout the company's entire line of amp products.

The trend is obvious.

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Post subject: Re: Changing my mind on the HRs
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:43 pm
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No, you're right. My BJ still works fine for the moment but I also don't use it so that might be a factor in it lasting a while too. The only time it gets powered up is when someone comes over to try it out. I have been posting it for sale from time to time in the local classifieds. I did have an issue with the Blues Deville 212 I once owned. That was a number of years ago and I can't remember what the amp repair guy told me he had to do to get it up and running again. It was not a terribly expensive repair bill, around $65 back in 1997 if memory serves. In the recesses of my mind I think it may have been a broken connection needing resoldering but don't quote me because I'm just not sure. The one thing I do remember is that the largest share of the bill was related to tracking down the issue.

If it helps to appease the wounded feelings of BJ owners out there perhaps they may take comfort from the notion that it's quite possible the reason I have had little success selling the amp is because I publicly belittle them on forums like this one. From your own perspective you may well feel revenge is sweet. Knock yourselves out. It don't bother me. The amp will go sooner or later.


BMW-KTM" That's too funny, my HRDlx lasted a lot longer in the closet than it did on any stage. :lol:
I wish it was all sunshine and rainbows in the Fender product line, but it's far from it and it IS going viral in the entire amp line. Noise, bad reverb units that were never even assembled properly and made it through QC. Does anyone at FMIC do ANY product testing or QC anymore?? I have some bucks to spend on more new gear and I just can't bring myself to by a new Fender amp. I was raised on Fender gear and I'm seriously saddened by what's going on.

shimmilou, I don't hate Fender, I just hate what they've become. Over 40 years of playing a brand that I loved, relied on and trusted has become cheap and unreliable. The guitars have gotten way better, and the amps have gotten noisy and unreliable. Maybe they just want out of the amplifier business and just make guitars? shimmilou, you are the HRD series cheerleader and that's great, but don't get pissed when we don't agree with you. We have our reasons and it's no joke to any of us. It's sad.

Until you have either gigged for a living or seriously relied on playing to subsidize your income, you'll never understand how important reliability is. I'd rather have a so so amp be rock solid reliable every night than an amp that takes monthly trips to the repair shop due to cheap components and shoddy design. Just sayin.......... :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Haters gonna hate...
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:03 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
...The "problems" are themselves expanding thoughout the company's entire line of amp products....


That I can agree with! I thought that you were singling out the BJr as an aberration, as you two specifically referenced a "BJr goes boom" post as an indication. 8)

63supro,

Goooooooooo hot rods! :lol: I'm no where near pissed, not even annoyed, I'll just continue trying to provide the much needed balance about the HRds. Although I'll never get as many miles praising the several HRds that I own and have owned, as you have from bashing the one that you had. And to think, your HRDlx worked perfectly for the last three years that you had it, and no complaints from the person that bought it. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Changing my mind on the HRs
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:12 pm
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63supro wrote:
I wish it was all sunshine and rainbows in the Fender product line, but it's far from it and it IS going viral in the entire amp line. Noise, bad reverb units that were never even assembled properly and made it through QC. Does anyone at FMIC do ANY product testing or QC anymore?? I have some bucks to spend on more new gear and I just can't bring myself to by a new Fender amp. I was raised on Fender gear and I'm seriously saddened by what's going on.don't get pissed when we don't agree with you. We have our reasons and it's no joke to any of us. It's sad.


+1

SERIOUSLY SAD!

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Until you have either gigged for a living or seriously relied on playing to subsidize your income, you'll never understand how important reliability is. I'd rather have a so so amp be rock solid reliable every night than an amp that takes monthly trips to the repair shop due to cheap components and shoddy design. Just sayin.......... :wink:


It appears that FMIC is now content to cater to only the hobbyists.

But allow my CHECKBOOK to speak much more potently than my opinions.

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Post subject: Re: Changing my mind on the HRs
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:59 pm
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I still think the VibroKing may very well be the best amp Fender makes at present. Don't let the $5,000 suggested list scare you off. They can be had for $3,000. In a time in history when many people will spend $3,000 for a flame top Les Paul Custom or a PRS 10-top with birds and then run them through a $500 amp I think it's time they realigned their priorities. That scenario is not intended to depict anyone in particular who may be reading or who may have responded to this topic because I don't know what kinds of guitars you play but it is a very real situation that happens every day and it is a mindset that seems to be prevalent among the vast, vast majority of guitar enthusiasts on discussion boards like this one. The amp is so much more important than 95% of posters realize.

People can argue all they want about pickups and frets and body wood and rosewood vs. maple and nitro vs. poly and hands and technique and sustain and whatever they want. It all still comes down to one unavoidable, inescapable, irrefutable, beyond-a-shadow-of-a-doubt truth that it's the AMP that makes the sound. There is absolutely no valid argument against the following statement that if you want good tone you need a good amp. If you argue with that statement you only demonstrate your own ignorance. I don't intend that to be a put-down or an insult or a fight starter, it's just a statement of fact. And this business of people getting all bent out of shape because someone says there are better amps out there than the HR series is all a bunch of hooey.

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Post subject: Re: Changing my mind on the HRs
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:37 pm
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There is absolutely no valid argument against the following statement that if you want good tone you need a good amp.


(note my sig line)

I liken the entire debate to this simile......

"Yeah, I'm a combat infantryman on my back to "the box". I got a really neat rifle -- it's light, it's portable, looks really really cool. And it fires nearly every time I squeeze the trigger."

If you think that's "bravo sierra", you're right. But it's no more so BS than some POFS amp that's "light, portable, and looks really really cool" but lets you down onstage at a critical moment.

Either way, you're fooking dead! Literally in the former sense, figuratively in the latter.

Just gimme a decent amp that plays correctly from the day I buy it until the day I trade it in on another decent amp.

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Post subject: Re: Changing my mind on the HRs
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:40 pm
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Agreed that there are better amps out there. I still love my HRDlx III. Time will tell.
Obviously, I still love the old dependable PTP or I would not have invested money in my 69 Bassman or Cabinet.

My personal Opinion for those who are interested? A line of useable line of PTP amps for those who depend on them. A line of Hod Rods. And then a line of dependable SS amps for those who insist on them. Some real R&D needs to be done in that SS line. not just a repackage of the same old circuits.

If the current blackface reissues were reissues in the truest sense, they would leave the shelves faster than they currently do, would be coveted, and would not need to cost as much as the VibroKing. There is not that much wire in there.

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Post subject: Re: Haters gonna hate...
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:13 pm
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shimmilou wrote:
Retroverbial wrote:
...The "problems" are themselves expanding thoughout the company's entire line of amp products....


That I can agree with! I thought that you were singling out the BJr as an aberration, as you two specifically referenced a "BJr goes boom" post as an indication. 8)

63supro,

Goooooooooo hot rods! :lol: I'm no where near pissed, not even annoyed, I'll just continue trying to provide the much needed balance about the HRds. Although I'll never get as many miles praising the several HRds that I own and have owned, as you have from bashing the one that you had. And to think, your HRDlx worked perfectly for the last three years that you had it, and no complaints from the person that bought it. :lol:


Do you know the guy that bought my amp?? :lol:
He had it repaired again a few months later. One of the power tube sockets went bad. He wasn't mad and told me he was glad I sold it to him with some warranty on it. He still has it as a backup. See, you had to bring that up didn't you. :lol: He thought he would just add to the saga. The guy who bought my Twin? No problems what so ever. I got to play it again last week. I should have kept it. :roll:

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Post subject: Re: Changing my mind on the HRs
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:51 pm
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Post subject: Re: Changing my mind on the HRs
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:04 pm
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For those who might take offense at my comments I offer the following. Go back and read my original post. You'll see that yes, I was having a little fun playing a game of Twisted Logic and yes, I was enjoying another opportunity to express my dislike of the HR series but if you can get past all of that and look at it's core you'll see that underlying it all my stated purpose was to stop letting the HRs annoy me and start seeing them as an opportunity to help people see there's something better. I can see now that some people have not understood this and have come to regard me as something of a troller of sorts. That was never my intention. I don't want to anger anyone or start fights. I'm on YOUR side. That doesn't mean I approve of your amp choices but it does mean I hope to help you see there are better choices. I do this for YOUR sake, not because I get my thrills wreaking havoc. Some of you will respond with the attitude that you don't want or need my help but whether you realize it or not if you are content with your HRs then you do in fact need my help. Maybe not MY help if you're stil pist but help nevertheless. Maybe you should think of the alledged provocation you percieved from me as being akin to tough love.

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Post subject: Re: Changing my mind on the HRs
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:16 pm
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I am no pro and i dont gig anymore but jeezez i can squeeze some nice sounds outta my HRD. I really can. It sounds lovely. And i have had to add a hot plate to get the sounds nice and knowing what i now know i would have bought a DR Reissue but this things no pile off poo i can assure you. :lol: :lol:

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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:30 pm
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63supro wrote:
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...and no complaints from the person that bought it. :lol:


...He had it repaired again a few months later....See, you had to bring that up didn't you. :lol: ...


Touche! I went for the dunk, and you blocked it. Sand-bagger! :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Changing my mind on the HRs
Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:05 am
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I am no pro and i dont gig anymore but jeezez i can squeeze some nice sounds outta my HRD. I really can. It sounds lovely. And i have had to add a hot plate to get the sounds nice and knowing what i now know i would have bought a DR Reissue but this things no pile off poo i can assure you. :lol: :lol:


I did too. The problem was it never really worked long enough to really enjoy my HRDlx.
And BMW, I never considered you a troll of any kind. You have opinions just like everyone else. The difference is when someone told me and probably you the HRDlx amp was built and designed poorly, I took the back off and looked maybe you did too. I didn't get all defensive about it. I wish my friend told me about it before I bought it. It would have saved me a world of aggravation. As a gigging musician, I should have known better, but I trusted the brand that I've trusted for over 40 years. Now I know I can't unless I buy vintage.

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