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Post subject: Re: Changing my mind on the HRs
Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:48 pm
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Cunning linguist. :lol:




Blaaa haaaaa haaa.

Do you mean Cunning linguist Rice and Colin Powel.


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Post subject: Re: Changing my mind on the HRs
Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:05 pm
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Ever see her sick duck? One helluva cork soaker! :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Changing my mind on the HRs
Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:13 am
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shimmilou wrote:
Ever see her sick duck? One helluva cork soaker! :lol:




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emxgL86J1lc

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Post subject: Re: Changing my mind on the HRs
Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:08 am
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wow! i have to quit drinking and writting. cork soaker...lol. what a trainwreck. scotch is good.......


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Post subject: Re: Changing my mind on the HRs
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 4:51 pm
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OK, so I've been thinking about this amp thing a bit lately and I've been paying attention to the threads asking for amp opinions and I think a big light has come on inside my head. I should have thought of this sooner, should have made the connection. I don't know why I didn't. Whenever someone posts a question like 'what's the best amp for this guitar' or 'what's the best amp for this musical style', people almost always recommend the amp that they personally own regardless of whether or not that really is the best amp for the given purpose. It's like, "this is the amp I bought so I need to convince others it's the best." And let's be honest, sometimes it's also a case of trying to convince ourselves too, not just others.

I mean seriously, does the new guy or the poor guy or the young guy (or whomever and for whatever reason) who owns a Blues Junior and who has maybe had very little exposure to good amps, is he really going to recommend a Matchless or a Dumble or a Boogie Mark IV or a Rivera if they've never owned one? Of course not. The thought doesn't even enter their minds. The BJ is inexpensive so it attracts a lot of new/young/poor/whatever buyers and because it's a tube amp and sounds better than the 25 watt solid state amp they moved up from it's therefore a really really good amp and they tell everyone they can find how wonderful it is.

I'm not really making a point here and I'm definitely not making a judgement call either because I'm still digesting this line of thinking and trying to determine what the ramifications might be and how it might affect my opinions on these kinds of threads. Mostly I'm just making an observation. The only thing that I think I know for sure is that most of the opinions expressed on these kinds of threads aren't really opinions in the true sense. They are simply public statements of what they bought.

I have to chew on this a bit longer.

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Post subject: Re: Changing my mind on the HRs
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 6:01 pm
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i wouldnt suggest that the Blues jr is a newbie, poor or young guys amp.
i pretty much can afford any amp i want to play through, but i also chose a Blues jr.
honestly, i like the tone of it and my OCD/Carbon copy combo.
i wouldnt trade that rig for nothing. i would however build up a different rig
if my personal needs called for it.

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Post subject: Re: Changing my mind on the HRs
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 7:34 pm
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way cool jr wrote:
i wouldnt suggest that the Blues jr is a newbie, poor or young guys amp.


Yeah, I wouldn't say that either. I used to own a small 5 watt tube amp not because it sounded good or the tone was the tone I wanted. But lets face it. not every one in this forum is professional musician. My 5 watt was just a amp that I could play in the house with out the wife going amp $hit. Don't get me wrong I have love music, I love guitars and they're a big part of my life but others here including myself can't really justify breaking the bank on great gear. You really don't need to spend millions of dollars to sound professional.
I guess what I am saying is different strokes for different folks. Just to tell you a story, I used to want the biggest and baddest gear out there, but couldn't afford it. so I made the mistake everyone makes at first(you did too at one time so don't deny it). looking at 50 - 100 watt amps and saying "You know solid state is cheaper." and I found my self going through Fender DSP 212, Line6 Spiders, among others trying to nail a sound that i could actually decipher with my ears. But it wasn't till I borrowed my brother's Mesa boogie that I could tell a very night a day difference between two amps or shall I say two types of amps. From that moment on. I sold every solid state amp that I owned and purchased a tube amp and to this day I will never purchase another SS amp for as long as I live.
So lets face it, hands down. The worst tube amp on its worst day sounds 100 times better than any Solid State on its best day NO question (IMHO)
that being said the Hot Rod Deluxe is a great sounding amp. Are there better out amps out there that sound better? Of Course No question! Is it Entry Level? That you have to really ponder. If you ask that professional musician who just got off tour and makes a handsome living off his high dollar set up He'll tell you the HRD is mere child's play. But for that musician that loves to jam out with his buddies in the garage or make-shift studio in the game room of a friends house. He'll envy that high dollar set up that's out there but he'll also tell you that HRD was a great investment for what he's doing.
Now as far as the HRD having many issues? bad circuit boards, etc. etc. Lets face another fact. They just don't make things like they used to. Any massed produced item is going to have issues. and yes, I will tell that to a club owner who hired me to play and I will also follow it up with but don't worry I'll just have to use my backup.


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Post subject: Re: Changing my mind on the HRs
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:14 pm
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I'll tell you why I bought a Blues Junior. I was looking for tube amp tone in a light portable package that I could take to informal home basement jams on a whim without notice and without all the work and physical mass of a full blown rig. It was also the cheapest amp I could find in that category because I didn't take the need for such an amp seriously enough to spend more and get a good amp. An error I hope to rectify his year. For those who genuinely love their BJs, God speed.

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Post subject: Haters gonna hate...
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:46 am
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People join this forum after buying a piece of Fender equipment because they want to connect with other people that share the same equipment and tastes. They do not come here to be insulted or to listen to some self proclaimed “seasoned pro” bash their equipment. You don’t like my gear? Fine. You have every right to say so. But don’t talk down to me. I’m not new, poor, or young. Just because a Blues Jr. didn’t fit your needs doesn’t mean it’s a bad amp. It means you made a bad choice.


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Post subject: Re: Changing my mind on the HRs
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:52 am
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This self proclaimed seasoned pro did not insult you. In fact he wished you God speed. Furthermore I have as much right to express my opinion as you. I think my remarks are insightful. I understand how those remarks might be seen as inciting to someone with a hot temper and a vested interest but your remarks border on trolling and flaming. Good day to you sir.

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Post subject: Re: Haters gonna hate...
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:01 am
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I'm sorry but I just can't resist. I saw this immediately after responding.

old tom wrote:
...doesn’t mean it’s a bad amp. ...


Oh really? Check out the title of the thread.

http://www.fender.com/community/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=51854&sid=36f70574d5722e80e7b715f12d1154e5

Somehow I haven't had any Rivera amps or vintage Fender amps blow up on me. Strange that.

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Post subject: Re: Haters gonna hate...
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:48 am
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BMW-KTM wrote:
I'm sorry but I just can't resist. I saw this immediately after responding.

old tom wrote:
...doesn’t mean it’s a bad amp. ...


Oh really? Check out the title of the thread.

http://www.fender.com/community/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=51854&sid=22c7985c223e974d227bc1341e2e387b

Somehow I haven't had any Rivera amps or vintage Fender amps blow up on me. Strange that.


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Post subject: Re: Changing my mind on the HRs
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:02 am
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if it can happen to a blues jr it can happen to a rivera also.

http://www.tdpri.com/forum/archive/inde ... 40238.html

im just sayin. no amp company is exempt from amps blowing or any other amp issues.

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Post subject: Re: Changing my mind on the HRs
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:09 am
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way cool jr wrote:
im just sayin. no amp company is exempt from amps blowing or any other amp issues.


True.

But when events such as those occur with exponentially-increasing regularity the inescapable conclusion can only be that said company either needs better designs or better QA/QC to oversee the production.

Enjoy the kool-aid.

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Post subject: Re: Changing my mind on the HRs
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:18 am
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yes but the poster's comments lead one to believe that it doesnt happen
to HIS choice of amps when it does. i will be the first to confess that fenders QC dept
is very lacking indeed. ive been biten by them myself.
carry one fellas, my point proven.

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