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Post subject: Re: How are the new Cyber Twin amps?
Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:26 pm
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Actually you're quite wrong. I never used any of the presets in forming my opinion on the amp because, like you said, all the presets are quite terrible and that should be obvious to any decent guitar player. Apparently you think the Cyber Twin is the bees knees and guess what bud.... That's perfectly fine! I personally think it's an overpriced piece of garbage and the fact that you're telling me it doesn't have any of the problems that I know it has, means you're either in denial because you've spent an absurd amount of money on them, or you somehow managed to find 3 of them that magically are superior to the others. In either case. You're not going to convince me otherwise because my real life experience with it far outweighs the opinion of some guy I don't even know. You probably feel the exact same way and so be it! I'll just be playing on my Deluxe Reverb smilin' away. Good day!


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Post subject: Re: How are the new Cyber Twin amps?
Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:10 pm
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I have NO desire to convince you, actually I couldn't care less about convincing you. What I find offense is the hardbuns talk, so I don't mind returning the favor. Can't say I'm in denial, but I do know how to set up the SEs, you obviously don't have a clue. In any case, I get the tones I want (CA surf).

Speaking of over priced "garbage", this forum appears littered with failed tubes, in search of the holy grail of tubes, tube replacements, the usual repair issues. Haven't heard of an inexpensive tube amp yet, or its maintenance for that matter. But if it makes you happy, what the heck, it's your hard earned money.

I used to have a TRRI & Protube TR at the same time I had my my SEs. Once I figured out how to setup the SEs, I have only the SE's, a JC-120 and a recently acquired Mustang IV to experiment with. That's the amp gear. Have 1 CS Strat custom 54s with mod'd wiring, 2 Am dlx both oly pearl white with moto white one with CS69's & one with CS54s, std wiring, and one ash natural finish tele. I can say all the guitars require their own settings to sound good, they are really that different tonally.

One hot rod Am precision bass (with precison bass pup & jazz bass bridge pup) & the discontinued (the tolex covered one, not the fuzzy covering) ss bassman 400 amp. love the bass to noodle with.

for what it's worth, if ever the dual showman reverb, or twin reverb SILVERFACE came back, with those marvelous JBL speakers, yes i would run our and buy them for nostalgia's sake - that's what i had (all used of course) when i was a teen. sold everything when i became a "gov't employee", shoulda figured a way to keep the stuff. ahh well.

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Post subject: Re: How are the new Cyber Twin amps?
Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:16 pm
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johnny stecchino wrote:
for what it's worth, if ever the dual showman reverb, or twin reverb SILVERFACE came back, with those marvelous JBL speakers, yes i would run our and buy them for nostalgia's sake - that's what i had (all used of course) when i was a teen. sold everything when i became a "gov't employee", shoulda figured a way to keep the stuff. ahh well.


Your most intelligent post yet!

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Post subject: Re: How are the new Cyber Twin amps?
Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:06 pm
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johnny stecchino wrote:
I have NO desire to convince you, actually I couldn't care less about convincing you. What I find offense is the hardbuns talk, so I don't mind the favor. Can't say I'm in denial, but I do know how to set up the SEs, you obviously don't have a clue. In any case, I get the tones I want (CA surf).


I like how you're thoroughly convinced that if somebody doesn't like the Cyber Twin it's because they don't know how to use it. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out like you obviously think it does. Let me ask you this: Why would an amp that can "model" a Twin Reverb or Bassman, or Princeton Reverb, or a bunch of other legendary fender tube amps cost ~$1000? It couldn't be because it's lacking could it?? I don't think the Fender marketing department is that stupid. You don't get something for nothing in this world. If the Cyber Twin really is as great as you think it is then everyone would own one and people wouldn't be trying to get rid of them. I'd rather play California surf with real tube tone and real spring reverb. But that's just me.


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Post subject: Re: How are the new Cyber Twin amps?
Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:48 pm
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I was a little rough responding to Johnny S in past posts, He has found a niche in the Ct series of amps and digs them, maybe he was a touch to anti tube at the time, trying to sell his point of view to hard core Tube lovers.

The real deal is that I have fun with my Cyber twin also, its a blast to make your own patches and my 18 year old son and I have fun showing a new sound we have "created" with the CT, changing the tubes raelly helped the tone and the next step is a new set of speakers, certainly nothing I have not done with even the best of all tube circuit amps.

That being said, the CT will never replace my DRRI for feel or tone, tube rectifiers alone change the playing dynamic soooo much !!

Johnny sorry for the nasty replies in the past, glad you enjoy the CT's, I have a lot of fun with mine too, as far as your view of tube tone hounds, well ?????? you come across like a packers fan cursing the bears at soldiers field in Chicago, ease up buddy, take the high road even when some very nasty stuff gets thrown your way.

This is supposed to be fun ya know.

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Post subject: Re: How are the new Cyber Twin amps?
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:07 pm
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rossfloss, your question is a bit too self serving. but here's an answer i hope you would appreciate: the CTs & SEs above all else have to sound "good", otherwise they are worthless as amps. but what's "good"? even more so, what's "innovative" and what else can they do besides "one thing"? what the CTs and SEs bring to the table is variability, lot and lots of variability. So much so that you can easily get lost. The CTs and SEs are the most tweakable amps ever made. For "points of reference" before you get lost in the vast space of variability, there are pre-programmed presets that should be familiar, like an emulation of something familiar and "good". With CT's and SE's, that's the starting point, and you take it from there. The major problem with Fender it seems, is that there was some kind of falling out with Ritchie Fliegler (who is no longer with Fender), the guy who brought the CT and SE to life - he had a vision. With Ritchie's departure, the CTs and SEs have lost their "product champion". This seemed to have happened shortly after Bill Schultz's passing (literally the man who saved Fender). I suspect after Bill's passing, a new order settled in, and it appears Richie didn't fit in. With that falling out, SE development, support, etc., stopped in 2007 when Ritchie "left" Fender. Because the CT and SE are a bit revolutionary, they need support, which Fender does not provide (the stigma associated with a falling out), and so here we are. What troubles me most is that every once in while something way ahead of its time comes out, like the SEs, and the status quo rejects it. i could never take the status quo, that's how things get stale, complacent, and death sets in (many ways to die). What i've been "preaching" is open up and try it.

Although i've knocked tube technology, a good sounding amp, regardless of technology, is a good sounding amp. Even more so when it reminds me of my youth. So yes, I sure would go for something familiar like a Showman - i had one of those, i was too young to understand why I should have hung on to it, i'm in the same position with my SEs and I'm going to hang onto them.

Arjay... one of these days i hope to go through tombstone... we have drinks to catch up on and stories to tell...

blues, appreciate your post, we are connecting. I do appreciate the tones, the gear, where we all once were, the message i've been preaching is there's some really great new stuff out there, give it a try, don't be a slave to the status quo.

Can you imagine what a 1900's Bavarian oom-pa-pa tuba player might have thought of hip-gyrating singer and his most skilled electric guitar player (Scotty Moore) belting out Jail House Rock to swooning teens? What I'm saying is let's not be the 1900 tuba player, it's 2011!

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Post subject: Re: How are the new Cyber Twin amps?
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:04 pm
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Post subject: Re: How are the new Cyber Twin amps?
Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:38 pm
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you know where to find it if you want it.

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Post subject: Re: How are the new Cyber Twin amps?
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:52 pm
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The one trouble spot I keep having with the CT is extraneous noise especially as notes begin to decay, sounds like a cheap old SS amp that is pushed into clipping for just a few seconds, if your strumming or hitting single notes, it sounds fine but just before it fades out there is a lot of noise, even on the cleaner settings.

Fuzzy fizzy is the best way i know to describe it.

I know its not the pre-amp tubes, it did the same thing with the OE tubes, any suggestions ???

In an unrelated topic, i have found that most settings are vastly improved with the gain and first volume knob turned way down, the original gain settings are way too high on nearly every pre-set.

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Post subject: Re: How are the new Cyber Twin amps?
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:45 pm
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blues bondsman wrote:
In an unrelated topic, i have found that most settings are vastly improved with the gain and first volume knob turned way down, the original gain settings are way too high on nearly every pre-set.



I think that simply means the pickups in the guitar/guitars you are using are hotter than the ones used to set up the amp. In which case rolling off on those knobs is the perfect solution. I could easily see Fender using a strat with 69's or 54's pickups for the design of the presets.


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Post subject: Re: How are the new Cyber Twin amps?
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 8:10 am
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johnny stecchino wrote:
................ The major problem with Fender it seems, is that there was some kind of falling out with Ritchie Fliegler (who is no longer with Fender), the guy who brought the CT and SE to life - he had a vision. With Ritchie's departure, the CTs and SEs have lost their "product champion". This seemed to have happened shortly after Bill Schultz's passing (literally the man who saved Fender). I suspect after Bill's passing, a new order settled in, and it appears Richie didn't fit in. With that falling out, SE development, support, etc., stopped in 2007 when Ritchie "left" Fender. Because the CT and SE are a bit revolutionary, they need support, which Fender does not provide (the stigma associated with a falling out), and so here we are. What troubles me most is that every once in while something way ahead of its time comes out, like the SEs, and the status quo rejects it. i could never take the status quo, that's how things get stale, complacent, and death sets in (many ways to die). What i've been "preaching" is open up and try it.

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So, it was, and is, internal politics. What a shame.

I knew it couldn't be the sound of the amp - I have owned an SE for years - so I know it sounds good. No forum "troll" can ever change that. :wink:

The Cyber-Twin SE is an excellent amp, and should remain in the Fender amp line - IMHO.

Maybe they should think about changing at least some the presets though. And in particular, think of changing the preset the amp starts up on. The first sound coming out of the amp should be unmistakenly "Fender" - just IMHO, of course. Maybe start with a "Showman Reverb", or a "Twin Reverb", sound? :?

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Post subject: Re: How are the new Cyber Twin amps?
Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 11:36 pm
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Exactly! I wish the Cyber Twin presets (at least the first 2 dozen or so) had familair Fender amp tones to start things off instead of exaggerated effects, kinda like too much booze.

One thing to keep in mind is that the tones the SE/CT produce are uniquely SE/CT tones. I believe these tones sound superb and are in a class of their own. The trick of course is to dial the tones in. I posted some good starting points on:
http://www.generalcybersystems.com/Tp.php
Use Cyber Commander to navigate or "Manuel". These were my starting points for my CA surf tones.

If it appeals to you, using & controlling more than SE/CT simultaneously then see the Cyber Commander manual, available at:
http://www.generalcybersystems.com/Tp.php
at the bottom of the webpage page. See chapter 14 in the SE/CT manuals. Even though the manuals were written to explain SE/CT Cyber Commander, there is a lot of info about what the SE/CT can do.

see FAQ 24 for the diffs between the SE and CT at:
http://www.generalcybersystems.com/faq.php

I hope this info helps you regardless of whether you get cyber commander.

PS, buying Cyber Commander helps keep the lights on. No we aren't wealthy at all, we work pretty hard for a living. Retirement? Only if in a box 'bout six ft under.

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