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Post subject: Using effects pedals with a '98 Tweed Hot Rod DeVille 2-12
Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:27 pm
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I have purchased the following pedals, but need some advice on how to sequence them.

Currrently I am using them all in the amp's effects loop, starting with a Dunlop Volume pedal, MXR Chorus, MXR Delay, Tube Screamer, 10band EQ. A Korg tuner is connected to the volume pedal. I plug my guitar directly into the amp.

Is there a better sequence chain? I get a lot of noise with the EQ and assume I need to dial it in better, but wonder if only the chorus/delay/eq should run through the amp's effects loop, and then run the guitar into the volume pedal/tube screamer, which would go into the main guitar input.

Any suggestions or recommendations are appreciated!!

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Post subject: Re: Using effects pedals with a '98 Tweed Hot Rod DeVille 2-
Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:55 pm
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Usually, high gain at the beginning of the chain and the less gain at the end, noiseless at the beginning and noisy at the end.
This is very theoritical, if you have a long chain and the gain at the end, at each step you have a noise added and added and added and you amplify signal and cummulated noises at the end; If you amplify first, the noise added and added at each step stays small due to the fact that you have a huge signal.
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Post subject: Re: Using effects pedals with a '98 Tweed Hot Rod DeVille 2-
Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:53 pm
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TIM BRILLEY wrote:
I have purchased the following pedals, but need some advice on how to sequence them.

Currrently I am using them all in the amp's effects loop, starting with a Dunlop Volume pedal, MXR Chorus, MXR Delay, Tube Screamer, 10band EQ. A Korg tuner is connected to the volume pedal. I plug my guitar directly into the amp.

Is there a better sequence chain? I get a lot of noise with the EQ and assume I need to dial it in better, but wonder if only the chorus/delay/eq should run through the amp's effects loop, and then run the guitar into the volume pedal/tube screamer, which would go into the main guitar input.

Any suggestions or recommendations are appreciated!!

Thanks!


Conventional wisdom dictates that filters and other time based FX can run in the loop while gain and grind should run between guitar and input jack.

Personally I will place the volume pedal first, then wah, then compression if I run any. Those FX do not add any serious gain or grind and the signal passes thru relatively cleanly. By placing volume first I eliminate and signal getting into a gain box between songs. Less noisy. Then some light OD (for rhythm) followed by heavier OD or distortion (for lead) and then into the amp. Chorus, flange, delay, etc. in the loop. Of course sometimes I ignore the loop and just run it all up front. There is little if any difference to my ears. If ignoring the loop I'll place the time/filter FX after my lead box before the amp input as I dislike the sound of a chorussed signal being overdriven whereas an overdriven signal with added chorus is not as bad so I leave that option open. However as the years pass I find myself using less and less time based FX. Normally reverb is about as much as I'll use these days. Any harmonizers should be placed early in the chain while the guitar signal is still relatively clean.

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Post subject: Re: Using effects pedals with a '98 Tweed Hot Rod DeVille 2-
Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:21 am
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This is all a matter of taste and experimentation. I don't worry about the loop. I never had an effects loop in a Fender amp until I bought a HRDlx. I never missed it. The loop in my HRDlx sounded pretty bad and was a bit noisy. Another one of many reasons I dumped the amp.

If you use the loop, keep your distortion pedals out of it, you'll get no benefit from it. If you feel a need to use the loop, I'd only use time based effects in it like your chorus. Experiment with the positions. For example, putting a distortion pedal before the Wah is quite different than putting it after. Just remember to keep the cord runs short. Even if the pedals are true bypass, too much wire will mess with your tone. Right now, I don't use many effects. I can get most of what I want from my amp. I built most of the pedals I use except for my Wah and I might build that circuit too. If you don't need the EQ pedal, I'd dump it. If my rig needed a ten band eq, I'd start looking for a better amp or guitar. JMO YMMV The more stuff you add to the signal chain, the harder it will be to control your tone.

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Post subject: Re: Using effects pedals with a '98 Tweed Hot Rod DeVille 2-
Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:56 pm
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put modulation,delay and compression in the loop. put volume and boost type pedals between the guitar and amp. in the loop try compression, mod,delay in that order.the loop is buffered and tends to limit noise from those type pedals. the gain boosting pedals work best after the guitar and will add more harmonics and overtones.if you have a compressor use it in the loop to attenuate volume and add sustain.the hot rod series suffers from a lack of natural compression.that is why everyone complains so much about them.you won't believe the overdrive just from the normal channel with a compressor in the loop.you can crank the volume and back off the comps. level and control breakup with your guitar's volume or your volume pedal.i have said all this before in past discussions in this forum and i get the idea no one believes me but hell, they said man would never fly.


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Post subject: Re: Using effects pedals with a '98 Tweed Hot Rod DeVille 2-
Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:51 pm
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blackstrat71 wrote:
...the hot rod series suffers from a lack of natural compression....


I wouldn't say "suffers", as that is what I like about my HRDlx and HRDvl. Great clean sound that doesn't breakup until you push it with pedals. :)

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Post subject: Re: Using effects pedals with a '98 Tweed Hot Rod DeVille 2-
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:05 am
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It depends on how you look at it. I bought a HRDlx hoping for some compression so for me it suffered severely. I had a Twin, I had all the clean I needed. My HRDlx started to breakup at around 3.5-4 but but lacked a sweet compression, and the fizz, more fizz channels were of no tonal comfort. They touted the HRD series amps as "hot rodded" Deluxe/Bassman amps. So for me they suffered. It just depends on your point of reference. If a HRD amp is pretty much the only tube amp you've ever used, you would thing it sounds great. I have over 40 years of reference so that for me is "the crux of the biscuit". Old, original, reliable Fender amps. These are not your fathers/grandfathers Fender amps.

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