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Post subject: Dear Santa:
Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 1:27 pm
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Dear Santa:
Since I've been a good boy this year, I would like to describe a present I would love to get someday for Christmas. It would be an all tube signal path Fender amp similar to a 1957 twin with one or two 12" speakers. A 12AY7 tube in the preamp would be okay with me. It would also have an onboard digital effects section that had a few presets and some user presets. It could be solid state buffered, seeing as how I'm adding solid state effects. It must be in parallel to the tube signal path with the ability to switch it out of the circuit completely. It would be great not to lug around a pedal board, and just have a single cable from my guitar to the amp.

Yours truly.
rjake

P.S. I hope you don't have to spend alot for this.


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I'm not sure that Santa reviews this forum very often. Did you send your request in writing to the North Pole?


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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:12 pm
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rjake wrote:
It would be an all tube signal path Fender amp.


rjake wrote:
It would also have an onboard digital effects section that had a few presets and some user presets. It could be solid state buffered, seeing as how I'm adding solid state effects.


You can have an "all tube signal path Fender amp" or you can have IC op-amps, chips, and transistors. But these features are diametrically opposed within a single package per your first specification.

Try a Bandmaster VM or a Super Champ XD instead.

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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:25 pm
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You can have an "all tube signal path Fender amp" or you can have IC op-amps, chips, and transistors. But these features are diametrically opposed within a single package per your first specification.


I was thinking it could be done like the effects loop in a Blues Deluxe. Op amp buffered and injected into the tube signal in parallel. Possible?

I checked out the VM series and didn't like them. The clean channel signal doesn't hit a tube until it gets to the power amp. The distortion channel is distorted via op amps prior to hitting a tube. No warmth whatsoever.


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rjake wrote:
I was thinking it could be done like the effects loop in a Blues Deluxe. Op amp buffered and injected into the tube signal in parallel. Possible?


Perhaps. But buffered effects loops always seem to extract a sonic "pound of flesh", ie: some of the nuanced tones of a tube signal are attenuated and mutated when routed through both an A/D and D/A converter. It's worthy of further study though. And I agree about the VM's and the SC's......they just don't "cut it" IMO.

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I know you prolly heard this one before. So you can whack me on the head (I prefer solid swamp ash Teles, thanks) :lol:

But, if you like to solder, do a little simichroming, clean tolex, replace basic parts... a SF Vibro-Champ maybe your ticket. You laugh (I hear you!). But, whenever ppl come over to play axe-hero and listen to my stuff... nearly EVERYONE wants to take my Vibro-Champs home.

I reset the front end back to tweed standards (simple). Change the global feedback back to tweed. Bypass the funky tone stack. And put in a screen resistor to protect the 6V6GT. All easy DIY's. If the irons are good, the tone of this SE-amp is crazy fine, all the way to ten. All day. Just another thought...

http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=Fender ... m270.l1313


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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:00 pm
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Tell me about it -- my little '68 Bronco KICKS some serious booty.

And if I need it to sound "large" I just wire it up to a Dual Showman cab.

It doesn't get much larger than that!

:mrgreen:

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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:02 pm
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I agree with the old Fender amp tone factor. The conversion to 5E5-A Pro I did on my Blues Deluxe sounds fantastic. I just wish I didn't have to carry around effects pedals like delay, chorus, and such. The integration would be great if the effects sound good. The Bandmaster VM series sounded like a great idea when they came out. Tube, so they said, and onboard delay and stuff. I thought that was going to be the ticket, but was disappointed when I played one. Then I looked at the schematic, and discovered why I didn't like the sound of them. "Vintage Molested" as Supro likes to say.


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How about one of the Digitech or Boss multi-effects pedals?

The ME30 has a lot of stuff in it yet isn't too terribly large.

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I like the Yamaha MagicStomp. Pretty wide range of patches, in one box. FWIW.

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How about one of the Digitech or Boss multi-effects pedals?

The ME30 has a lot of stuff in it yet isn't too terribly large.

Arjay


I guess I'm not making myself clear.
#1- Nice sounding tube amp. (Which I have)
#2- Effects (delay,chorus,reverb) integrated into said tube amp. (Which I don't have)

The multi-effects units that I have seen and heard over process the guitar signal so much you can't tell if its a Strat or a SG. I just want some effect that I can inject into the tube signal path (parallel, not series) of a righteous tube amp. Maybe it requires a tube buffer, maybe an op amp buffer. I'm not sure. Maybe the only way to do it is the way Fender did it with the VM series. Blackstar does reverb on the HT series. Guess I"ll have to check the schematic.


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rjake wrote:
I guess I'm not making myself clear.


Mebbe you are and I'm too dense to see it.

An amplified audio signal -- by its nature -- passes through a series of components and circuits on its journey from the front-panel input to the speaker.

How you "parallel" effects into that signal path escapes me.

Unless you're referring to two independent signal chains (one "dry", one with effects) that are summed together at some stage of the amplification process, possibly with a blend control. Which, if I understand the concept, is precisely what an effects loop is -- except the effects circuitry is "outboard" of the amp.

(I think I need to pour myself another Glenlivets......)

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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 11:44 pm
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You've got it, Arjay. Of course there is series and parallel effects loops, the latter needing some sort of buffer. Maybe this is blasphemous wanting to in amp effects to a classic design, but it sure would be convenient. The same effects as the Bandmaster VM added to the converted BD of mine would be nice.


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I use all of my effects -- Fulltone OCD >> Zoom Amp Simulator >> A/DA Flanger >> Radial Tonebone A/B/Y -- in front of various blackface, silverface, and re-issue Fender amps. And I'm not bragging when I say this set-up delivers the tone I always dreamed of. And yes......my Strats sound like Strats, my Les Pauls sound like Les Pauls, and my SG (actually a '62 LP/SG Historic Shop re-issue) sounds like an SG. Whenever I play out I'm pelted by questions about my rig and my tone during breaks or afterwards while tearing down.

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