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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 3:03 pm
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So, I'm headed to China for a work assignment that will have me there from january-April then again from September-November.

I will mostly likely buy a GDec 3 15 to bring with me instead of bringing any of my tubes.

Do I need to be concerned about voltage or whatever? If so, what's the fix?
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I've been in Shanghai, it was 220V 50Hz, US shape without ground (like japan) or V shape.

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I'd suggest you don't get overheard practicing the South Korean National Anthem. YMMV . . . :roll:

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...Or maybe the Taiwanese Freedom from Tyranny hymn? :o


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You'll find access to the internet somewhat......limited.

The chicoms have their own version of the web.

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Don't take any pictures. :(

Don't say you like RnR. :(

Don't do anything to bring attention to yourself. :(



Just kidding...I'm sure you'll be fine! :wink:

Have a nice trip! :D

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Hi vonas01,

Considering the possible problems transporting something like an amp on an airplane (possible damage to amp and/or cost), and the power concerns once you get to where you are going (and back), it might be cheaper and easier to buy an amp when you get there, and I presume it will already work with the existing power there, and they might have any needed adapters at the store. I know that some Fender amps are made in China. If you can get a good deal on Chinese goods in the US, imagine how cheap it might be in China. :idea:

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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:14 pm
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As I understand it (from Egnater's website), all of the current crop of Egnater amps are made in China. Manufacturing-wise, China's industries are much like Japan's in the mid- to late- 1950's. Most Americans then thought of "that Japanese crap" pretty much like so much of what gets here today from China -- lots of "Chinese crap" 'round here these days.

China today does have serious manufacturig capabilities, and some of the most technologically-advanced (for example) wooden-furniture manufacturing facilities in the world. Because of the seriously low labor costs there (a moral and/or political issue, to be sure, but not a mass-production factory quality-control issue), much of what Americans see of Chinese "stuff" is lowest-bidder stuff, sacrificing quality for maximum corporate profit.

But as Japan proved from the late '50's on, the capabilities are there (ask Formula 1 and international motorcycle roadracing about the mojo that Japanese "iron" dropped on them in the 1960's ... can you say "Honda" ?? :shock: )
Wanna go dissin' Nikon, eh?

On the Egnater website, Bruce Egnater tells it like it is: IF a U.S. company requests, requires, contracts for, and acts to ensure very high quality standards from Chinese manufacturing partners, their factories can turn out some pretty awesome stuff, certainly rivaling most anything made in "the West." That can translate into some seriously high build-quality and feature-rich quality gear that would be unaffordable to most of us without the pricing levels available by outsourcing the grunt work to China.

Yeah, there's all sorts of important job-security, national economic security, and political issues tied up into all of this. It'll likely be a good while before any of us knows the bottom line on the "outsourcing to China" issues. But meanwhile, the route of high-quality at low-cost that Egnater chose sounds pretty cool on the bandstand.

So maybe with a bit or pre-arrangement it'd be possible to "score" the Egnater amp of your choice after you get to China. IF (big IF) the U.S. Egnater home office helps you out, you could check out down-the-road costs of bringing your Chinese-bought Egnater back with you ... you know, Chinese-Export/U.S.-Import duties, like that.

If not Egnater, maybe another brand. Dragging an amp across the pond, then back again, can't be easy or cheap; it likely also isn't too easy on the amp itself.

Meanwhile, ponder this: is Our Own Egnater-pimpin' 63Supro also a da'gum Commie Lover too? Dang!! Guess that knocks him off the short list for playing the Montana Militia's Annual ByGawd Christmas Ball . . . :roll: :lol:

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Is 63supro a fan and/or owner of the Egnater Tweaker? I've almost pulled the trigger on that amp head several times.


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Hi bobwords,

Is the Rebel 30 head made in China? I thought that it was US made. I'll have to take another look at it now, I can't see spending $700+ for a Chinese amp. :?:

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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:43 am
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shimmilou wrote:
Hi bobwords,

Is the Rebel 30 head made in China? I thought that it was US made. I'll have to take another look at it now, I can't see spending $700+ for a Chinese amp. :?:


This from one of the reviews of the Egnater Rebel-30, referenced on Egnater's own website:

"If you go to a Chinese factory and tell them you want something quick and cheap, you'll often get what you deserve," says Bruce. "We've worked tirelessly with our partners in China to raise the bar for quality. We're on the phone talking to them every day and make frequent visits to the factory to keep on top of things. I'm very proud of what we've achieved and I think the results speak for themselves".

( http://www.musicradar.com/gear/all/amplification/instrument-amps/guitar-combo-amps/rebel-30-1-x-12-combo-252788/review/2 )

So I'm not entirely sure which of the other models are Chinese made, but apparently the Rebel-30 is. Again -- the Egnater marque has been around for 30-something years or longer, and they have as high a reputation for build quality as any amp on the U.S. market. Take a look "under the hood" at an Egnater chassis: you'll find a sturdiness and attention to detail (such as little wire "looms" to keep connecting wires from flopping around in transit) that is rare today in any but the most pricey "hand wired" amps by other manufacturers. (If you haven't noticed: those babies are rarely found for less that $3500 or more, MSRP.)

Before you condemn a product because of its country of manufacture, consider that Japan's Honda products are light years ahead (in build quality alone) of GM's or Chrysler's. And though Harleys aren't too bad, build-quality wise, they can't hold a candle to the consistent design and reliability of any similar-style Honda. (Frankly, for those who are counting, Honda has about as many components -- and entire bikes -- made in the U.S. TO HONDA's HIGH STANDARDS as Harley-Davidson has parts & components made in a host of "Foreign" countries. So maybe -- put a sock in it? :wink: )

Sure, our Good Ol' U.S. can build stuff that's as good as or better than anything out there. But -- can you afford that kind of quality in a U.S. built product ... IF you could even find it anymore?

When Bruce Egnater "passes on" and some international financial firm buys his company, THEN I'll worry about where the quality might be headed. For now? Dude's alive and well, and his products kick-a$$, whether they're made in China, Burlington, or Bombay.

Just my $16.47 worth . . . 8)

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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 7:01 pm
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I would buy gear over there


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And another thing ! :roll:

Understand - I'm not pimpin' Egnater: that's 63supro's job. :wink:

But on the back of my new Egnater Rebel-30 there's a nifty little slide switch that lets you select among 3 AC voltage options: 100v / 117v / 230v.

How cool is that?
I could play salsa music at 230 volts in Bolivia, or Bhutan. (Y'ain't lived until you've seen Bhutanese Salsa dancing . . . )

For that matter, I could even play HipHop in Joisey during a brownout, at 100 volts -- IF the Taste Police didn't send me to the Big House on felony counts of each offense . . . :cry:

Not sure if that option is on all the Egnater models, and not sure if they have anything (Tweaker combo?) cheap enough to meet your travel amp needs. Still, it's something to think about.

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After having played the GDEC 3 15 I decided against it and will opt for a Mustang II to take with me to China.

I'm not concerned about damage during transport as I will leave it in its original package. I've been to china before and as long as you're respectful and don't do anything stupid, you're fine. I'm not interested in an Egnater. As cool and capable as they are, they just ain't my cuppa tea. I have an entire herd of tube amps that I love and adore and wouldn't trade for the world here in the US. I'm just not bringing any of them to china because I don't want need that kind of capability.

I clearly hear the idea of buying a local amp and I may very well do that. but, i want to ensure that I have something in my hands when I arrive that achieves a minimum basic standard that I have and the Mustang I and II are that.

Thanks for the advice.


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