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Post subject: Re: Using Fender Frontman 212R as a 2x12" speaker cabnit
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:00 pm
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I just bought a used 212R and I really like the sound !!!

http://s968.photobucket.com/user/CTguy1 ... 6.jpg.html

I searched all over for a 2 x 12 speaker cab that would fit in my entertainment center and not a single one would, until I found the 212R. I only had 19 7/8" side to side and all the other speakers cabs were 20 and over.



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I bought a cliff jack for my setup. Ive got a Vox 2 x 12 AC15C2 combo that has a extension out speaker jack in the back with a ohm switch. 16ohms standard for the Vox, which is good.
I will just cut and splice in (solder) the white and black from the amp out to the speakers
with the cliff jack and drill a hole for the jack near the upper left part of the back upper panel.
When nothing is inserted into the female jack, the leaves stay normally closed and you can use the entire Fender 212R as a normal Combo. Now If I want to run a SPEAKER cable out from the Vox to the 212R , I just unplug the power cord and insert the male speaker jack into the cliff jack on the 212R. Then I will turn on the Vox and just have 4 speakers.

I only paid 200 for the 212R and the jack and speaker cable was nothing, so I really made
out very well by doing this............ Im just so happy it fit in the cabinet I built !!!!

Good luck with yours.......... Hope you dont think I hijacked your thread, I just think others
are also interested in doing the same thing we did and need the info.


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Post subject: Re: Using Fender Frontman 212R as a 2x12" speaker cabnit
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:33 pm
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So as of right now, everything was done properly and without plugging anything into
the speaker jack ( the new 12 gauge speaker cord came in mail today ) the amp
works just like a normal Combo amp and because the jack is in the very back of the
amp, no one but me will ever see it ( its in my entertainment center ) and so I can
at least use the fender as a normal Combo amp.

Now I need to triple check on what is going on with the vox extension speaker out jack
before I mess around at all. I know that the two fender speakers are hooked up in
series and are 4 ohms. So I think my Vox is set up for 16 ohms, but there is a switch on
the side that can be changed, but but before I ever hook it up, I will investigate and make
absolutely sure everything is ok to do.

Thank You all so much for your help so far so good, now for the final easy part, unless I have
to end up rewiring something.......then worse case scenario is I have myself a nice fender combo amp that I like very much.

http://s968.photobucket.com/user/CTguy1 ... sort=3&o=1


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When you plug into the "EXTERNAL SP" jack, The internal speaker is disconnected. And you must set the impedance switch to match the external speaker cabinet. The jack it's self is switched to disconnect the internal speaker when you use it.

When you plug into the "EXTENSION SP" jack. The internal speaker is put in parallel with the external speaker cabinet.
The external cabinet must be 16 Ohms.
And the impedance switch must be set to 8 ohms.
This is because the 16 Ohms of the extension cabinet in parallel with the 16 Ohms of the internal speaker, equals 8 Ohms.

Do not plug an 8 Ohm load into the "EXTENSION SP" jack under any circumstances.

So after reading a few things about the Vox, it turns out everything I did was for nothing. The only way I can use just the speakers on the 212R is if I go out and buy a Orange
Micro terror which is 4 ohms and use that as a head with just the speakers in the fender Frontman 212R.

At least I got a really nice used amp out of the deal that fits nice in my cabinet and I do love the sound of it very much.


Last edited by ctguy1955 on Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:54 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Post subject: Re: Using Fender Frontman 212R as a 2x12" speaker cabnit
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:43 pm
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ctguy1955 wrote:
...I know that the two fender speakers are hooked up in
series and are 4 ohms....


Two 8 ohm speakers in parallel is 4 ohms. Two 8 ohm speakers in series would be 16 ohms.

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Post subject: Re: Using Fender Frontman 212R as a 2x12" speaker cabnit
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:57 pm
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shimmilou wrote:
ctguy1955 wrote:
...I know that the two fender speakers are hooked up in
series and are 4 ohms....


Two 8 ohm speakers in parallel is 4 ohms. Two 8 ohm speakers in series would be 16 ohms.



I am a total newb, and Im sorry. I guess I did all the work for nothing as the extension out jack on the Vox is not switchable as I first thought, only the other out jack that turns off the
internal speakers on the Vox is switchable. I started this whole thing in order to get 4 speakers at one time.

Oh well, I am very very happy with the used Fender Amp and glad I bought it.


http://s968.photobucket.com/user/CTguy1 ... 6.gif.html

So while this is easy to do, it does not help me as the vox is putting out 16 and I can only get
8 or 4 out of the Fender. I dont know how the Vox is wired for the 16, but I guess you dont want to mess around with 800 dollar tube amps at all.


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Post subject: Re: Using Fender Frontman 212R as a 2x12" speaker cabnit
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:20 pm
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So I re-wired the Fender Frontman 212R up in Series and now its 16 ohms, just like the VOX.

I tested the 212R as it is normally and I did not notice any difference in sound as a stand alone
frontman combo amp. And I DO like the clean sound of it very much.

Tomorrow I will hook up the proper 12ga Speaker cable out of the back of the extension speaker jack and put the switch to 8 ohms, and then plug the other end into the
212R new female jack I just installed, and see how much I like having 4 speaker sound
coming out of the Vox.

If I end up not liking it at all, Im still very happy that I bought the Fender combo amp
as its really great sounding for a used 200 dollar item and its LOUD and the sound
is very clean, which I like a lot.

Thanks for all your help !!!!

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Post subject: Re: Using Fender Frontman 212R as a 2x12" speaker cabnit
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:22 am
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I recently bought a AC15HW and I also have a FM212R.

My brother has a Fender Super 90(?) which we have hooked to the 212R via the effects loop. Out from the 90 to the in of the 212R. Instead of 1 12" speaker, he has the advantage of 3 12" speakers. Sounds awesome!

When I purchased the Vox, it was demoed to me that if you plug a regular guitar cable into one of the inputs(regular or top boost) on the Vox to an input of another amp they would both work producing sound.

ctguy, you have a Vox, would this not work with the 212R? Let's say you plug your guitar into the top boost on the Vox, connect another guitar cable into the regular channel on the Vox into the 'in' of the effects loop on the 212R. Would this not work without rewiring the speakers?(granted you need the power on)

I wouldn't plug it in the the front input of the 212R as it would be too darn loud!

Just a thought.


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Post subject: Re: Using Fender Frontman 212R as a 2x12" speaker cabnit
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:33 am
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Should have asked if ctguy1955's Vox has an effects loop. If so, 'out' from the Vox into the 'in' on the 212R(fx loop).

I have numerous times hooked my Vox to the input on my Blues Jr with no problems. I done this because the Jr has a reverb as the Vox don't.


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Post subject: Re: Using Fender Frontman 212R as a 2x12" speaker cabnit
Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:13 am
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Well Im sorry I did not get back sooner........ I tested it and it worked GREAT !!! I am so happy
that for the investment of 200 for the 212R and 10 bucks for the speaker cord and 10 bucks for the Cliff Jack, I have the best of both worlds !!!!

I only tried it with the 2 sets very close to one another and it seemed like the Vox had
slightly louder speakers, but Im sure if I separate the two speakers by the full length
of the speaker cord, its gong to sound awesome !!

And the fact that I really like the sound of the 212R just as it is !!!


In a few days, the Version 2 of the Mustang IV will be coming out, and I had
the version one and got rid of it as the Fizz was terrible on clean channels, but
the new ones have new transformers and that took care of that problem,
so im thinking about getting another one.

This will make one tube amp and 4 solid states. My ears really dont hear the difference
that many make a big deal out of. The 212R for the 200 bucks........ I like it better then
the Vox that I paid 800 for.


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Post subject: Re: Using Fender Frontman 212R as a 2x12" speaker cabnit
Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:09 pm
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Teer wrote:
Should have asked if ctguy1955's Vox has an effects loop. If so, 'out' from the Vox into the 'in' on the 212R(fx loop).

I have numerous times hooked my Vox to the input on my Blues Jr with no problems. I done this because the Jr has a reverb as the Vox don't.


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I had asked about doing that into the effects loop, but was told it was not a good idea.

In the end, using the new CLIFF jack I installed, everything worked out really well.
I can use any head I want and use the speakers of the 212R and nothing will get
hurt or ruined, as long as the impedance is matched or I dont go too loud if the amp
puts out more watts then what the speakers are rated for.

Im getting back my tax check, and Im really thinking about getting a Mustang IV again, now
that the transformers have been changed.


++++++++++++++++++++++++EDIT UPGRADE++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I got enough money back from my taxes to buy a new Mustang IV V2, but none are
available yet. I just called my GC store and asked about ordering one for me.

I have to say that the 212R is such a great amp just on its own, that I am so happy
to have done what I did, but will most likely only use it as its own Fender Amp
then as just a cab. I will most likely do the same thing to the Mustang IV as this
worked out so well for me !!!!


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Post subject: Re: Using Fender Frontman 212R as a 2x12" speaker cabnit
Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:20 am
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I have the EXACT same issue, well my FM amp died on me and I just bought the Superchamp 15w valve head. Thinking of using my FM speakers as in cabinet. This is a good idea right by reading what's going on in this topic :)


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