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Post subject: Why doesn't fender offer more tube HEADS??????
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 7:50 am
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I need a all tube head, not a dang combo, and would prefer a Fender head! I lug around a fender vibratone speaker cabinet every where I go (bout 2 gigs a week) and tired of lugging my Fender 'combo' amp around for head use only. I currently use a Blues JR for small venues and use my Hot Rod DeVille 212 amp for the larger gigs were I need more volume. Here's the catch, I'm just using those amps for HEADS only, and don't even use the speakers. I notice most other amp manufactures offer the same amps in head only and combo. So, why doesn't Fender offer a Blues JR HEAD, a Hot Rod Deville HEAD, or a blue Deluxe HEAD?


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You play only through a Vibratone cab?

Interesting......

Try the VM Bandmaster or Supersonic head.

Best of luck, HTH

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That is correct. I play Lapsteel thru a fender vibratone cab. I've purchased and borrowed all kinds of tremelo pedals, but they just aren't the same.. So, I lug my 'leslie' around every where I go..

Note- I just read about the Fender Band-Master VM and I 'stuck my nose up' immediately after reading the bold items below.

"Its high-quality Digital Signal Processing platform adds reverb, chorus/vibrato, and delay effects with the convenience and "tweakability" of standard stompboxes without the need for extra cables or power supplies."

Like my leslie cabinent, no pedal can recreate its tone and in my opinion no hybrid amp can recreate 100% tube tone and the 'built in effects' on them leave alot to be desired in my opinion, and I do have experience with them.

I'm currently thinking about buying a Egnator Rebel 30 head, but I'd much rather buy a fender if they offered what I was looking for. I love the tone from my blues JR, love the tone from my blues deville. I've had fenders all my life and customer support has been great too thru the years, the few 2 times I've needed repairs. Fender just don't have many Tube HEAD options and I don't know why?

I like the rebel because of its price tag and its size, and wish fender offered something like it. I also like that the egnator output wattage can be lowered for smaller venues.


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If all-tube Fender tone is your choice, then do what many of us here do......

Buy vintage.

Relatively speaking, they're not that expensive, even indexing in the cost of any refurbishments or repairs needed to make them reliable for gigging.

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Since I'm so happy with my blues JR and Blues Deville as 'heads' I just wondered why this option isn't available? I appreciate the 'going vintage suggestion', but its not the route I want to go at this point in time due to funds, size of the vintage heads, and reliability.


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Just a thought, but isn't there someone out there offering head conversion cabs for these amps? I could have sworn that I've seen them out there before. An empty head that you can transfer the amp too. Or am I mistaken? If so, that may be something to look into if it interest you.
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JodyP wrote:
Since I'm so happy with my blues JR and Blues Deville as 'heads' I just wondered why this option isn't available? I appreciate the 'going vintage suggestion', but its not the route I want to go at this point in time due to funds, size of the vintage heads, and reliability.

Not sure what your budget is, but you can pick up a nice Bandmaster head for about $500, it's not that big, very reliable, and it will sound WAY better than the BJ or Deville!

I recently picked this up and it sounds sweeter than anything Fender makes today IMO.

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Just a thought, but isn't there someone out there offering head conversion cabs for these amps?


Yes
http://www.ampmaker.com/cabs-by-chris-1142-0.html

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JodyP wrote:
I appreciate the 'going vintage suggestion', but its not the route I want to go at this point in time due to funds, size of the vintage heads, and reliability.


"Reliability"

Of course......how could I have been so fookin' stoopid?

(slaps forehead with palm of hand)

Everyone knows the HR series amps are bulletproof.

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Everyone knows the HR series amps are bulletproof.

:mrgreen:

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Have you tryed a fender amp with the Vibrato channel? thats not far off.

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Post subject: Re: Why doesn't fender offer more tube HEADS??????
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:19 pm
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JodyP wrote:
I need a all tube head, not a dang combo, and would prefer a Fender head! I lug around a fender vibratone speaker cabinet everyone where I go (bout 2 gigs a week) and tired of lugging my Fender 'combo' amp around for head use only. I currently use a Blues JR for small venues and use my Hot Rod DeVille 212 amp for the larger gigs were I need more volume. Here's the catch, I'm just using those amps for HEADS only, and don't even use the speakers. I notice most other amp manufactures offer the same amps in head only and combo. So, why doesn't Fender offer a Blues JR HEAD, a Hot Rod Deville HEAD, or a blue Deluxe HEAD?



Why not just yank the amp out of the combo cabinet and build (or have somone build) a head cabinet to put the amp in.

I've thought doing this myself so I could have the amp controls in a more convenient/ergonomic place and the speaker(s) elsewhere .


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"Reliability"

Of course......how could I have been so fookin' stoopid?

(slaps forehead with palm of hand)

Everyone knows the HR series amps are bulletproof.

:mrgreen:

Arjay[/quote]

There is always an $@! on every forum, always. My question was a very simple one Retroverbial, and a very logical one at that. Do you not think I've thought about vintage???? I lug a damn 63lb leslie cab to every single gig fool. Once I sell the deville I will need to purchase an amp ASAP, since I'm gigging 2 or 3 times a week. There isn't any 'vintage' amps within 90 miles of me, I've looked. I'm not about to buy a vintage amp without testing it.


I appreciate the suggestions on the replacement amp cabinet, This maybe a viable solution for me now that think about it twice!

I will email fender and ask the simple question. I hoped there might be a fender employee monitoring these forums that could answer the question. Do I think Fender is start making these heads because I'm asking the question? NO.. I'm just sore that Fender doesn't have an option for me at the moment and I have to go outside my comfort zone and purchase another brand. I will probably end selling my deville and purchase the egnator rebel-30, I've tried it and liked it. Who knows, maybe one day I'll have a 100% vintage head so I can be cool like all the other retroverbial folks out there

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I'll do more research on the BandMaster tonight.

Yall take care.. Oh, I've had my JR and Deville for about 5 years now and haven't had any issues. Maybe I'm just lucky.


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Jody, looks like you're new here, welcome to the forum btw... the HRD's are kind of an inside joke here. There's some here who've had issues with them, and I know a few working musicians locally who can't stand the amps, not because of the way they sound, but because of reliability issues, they spend too much time getting serviced...

Arjay is one of the most helpful and knowledgeable people around here when it comes to amps, specially vintage, so if you do end up going that route, and I highly recommend it for what you're trying to accomplish, his knowledge and help will come in handy I'm sure.

Good luck with your search. Check ebay and craigslist for late 60s Fender amp heads, lots of great deals out there! You can even check GC's used inventory, I'm sure there's a few listed there.

Oh BTW, Egnater makes some great amps, from what I hear, where's Supro when you need him! I tried them and it didn't work for me, not Fender enough, which is I'm looking for these days...


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Jody, looks like you're new here, welcome to the forum btw... the HRD's are kind of an inside joke here. There's some here who've had issues with them, and I know a few working musicians locally who can't stand the amps, not because of the way they sound, but because of reliability issues, they spend too much time getting serviced...

Arjay is one of the most helpful and knowledgeable people around here when it comes to amps, specially vintage, so if you do end up going that route, and I highly recommend it for what you're trying to accomplish, his knowledge and help will come in handy I'm sure.

Good luck with your search. Check ebay and craigslist for late 60s Fender amp heads, lots of great deals out there! You can even check GC's used inventory, I'm sure there's a few listed there.

Oh BTW, Egnater makes some great amps, from what I hear, where's Supro when you need him! I tried them and it didn't work for me, not Fender enough, which is I'm looking for these days...


I tried the Bandmaster VM and thought it was pretty nasty. the grill fell off the one I tried. LOL

As far as Egnater goes, if you lean toward the 6V6 side and play with the watts control, you can get pretty close to a Tweed Princeton. I can get "Fender Like" but not real Fender. Even Fender can't get the "Real Fender" tone with most of these newer amps like the HRD series and the VM which I have dubbed "Vintage Molested". The new Bandmaster sounds nothing like any of the old Bandmasters. It really isn't that loud of a 40 watt amp. The output trannie's pretty small compared to other 40 watters. To me, the DSP effects sounded like a jumbo GDec. I'd seriously go vintage.

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