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Post subject: Fender Deluxe Reverb Reissue - Volume & Breakup
Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:30 pm
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Hi there,

I'm looking to possibly get a Fender Deluxe Reverb Reissue sometime the beginning of next year, but I had a few questions that some of you may be able to help me with.

Initially I had wanted to get a Super Reverb because I wanted something with a ballsy low end. However, after all the posts I've read, it appears a Super Reverb might be too loud for home, small gigs, or church applications. The next logical choice, from what I've read would be the Deluxe Reverb at 22 watts.

Here is my question. Exactly how loud is the Deluxe Reverb Reissue at volume 6 or so? In my home I've blasted a Hammond C3 through a 40 watt Leslie 122 speaker cabinet at full volume, and past a certain point, it didn't get louder, it just got warmer and growled. The bass response was amazing, and it wasn't painful to hear.

This is perplexing because I have a Blues Jr, and that thing only gets louder but doesn't seem to break up naturally the same way even though it's a tube amp. Am I missing something? How can a 15 watt tube amp with a 12" speaker be louder and not break up naturally vs. a 40 watt Leslie Speaker cabinet with a 15" bass speaker? The Leslie filled the room with sound...and the Blues Jr just seems to be one dimensional in that it's mid-frequency and not much more. It doesn't provide balance of bass & treble the way the Leslie did. I can't FEEL the ringing of the low E string...just hear it hurting my ears when it's loud.

Using my Blues Jr. and Leslie Speaker as reference point...how much louder and ballsier is the Deluxe Reverb to the Blues Jr? If I can tolerate and enjoy the full volume of a 40 watt Leslie 122, would a Super Reverb really be too much volume before it started breaking up??

Sorry for the long post...but my Blues Jr is a mystery to me in that in some ways, it is almost like a solid state amp in that it just gets louder...not warmer or creamier. It's all mids, but leaves a lot to be desired in the bass & treble response. Am I wrong in thinking that the smaller cabinet of the Deluxe Reverb would inhibit the bass response I'd get from a Super Reverb cabinet?


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Post subject: Re: Fender Deluxe Reverb Reissue - Volume & Breakup
Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:39 pm
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In my home I've blasted a Hammond C3 through a 40 watt Leslie 122 speaker cabinet at full volume, and past a certain point, it didn't get louder, it just got warmer and growled.


You got any sheetrock left on the walls?

:mrgreen:

The DRRI is capable of producing sufficient volume to work a small-to-medium club of up to 4500 square feet. And of course it can be augmented via mic and PA/SR system where more coverage is required. I've owned them all at one time or another and currently have two TR's and a DR in my stable. My primary rig remains a TR (periodically used with a Dual Showman extension cab) but whenever I can get away with the smaller (and hence, lighter) amp, I take my DRRI. It's never failed to deliver the goods.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Deluxe Reverb Reissue - Volume & Breakup
Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:55 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
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In my home I've blasted a Hammond C3 through a 40 watt Leslie 122 speaker cabinet at full volume, and past a certain point, it didn't get louder, it just got warmer and growled.


You got any sheetrock left on the walls?

:mrgreen:


haha, yes. Well...initially photo frames and things fell off shelves, but we found out how to keep them in place :wink:

I don't know all the technical terms and such. I just know that the sound that comes out of the Blues Jr. is one that directly hits the ears with a single dimensional mid-frequency, whereas the Leslie produced a balance of punchy ballsy bass and singing treble that you not only heard it but felt. I want a guitar amp like that but that won't hurt my ears the way the 15 watt Blues Jr seems to do at high volumes.

How much unbearably louder is the Super Reverb vs. the Deluxe Reverb? How much ballsier is it? How do they both compare to the Blues Jr?


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Post subject: Re: Fender Deluxe Reverb Reissue - Volume & Breakup
Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:03 pm
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whereas the Leslie produced a balance of punchy ballsy bass and singing treble that you not only heard it but felt. I want a guitar amp like that but that won't hurt my ears the way the 15 watt Blues Jr seems to do at high volumes.

That has to be the 15" at work IMO, it's the same thing I experienced after switching to a 15" in my DRRI... it wasn't that bad, but I know it's a lot worse in the BJ, I find it way too boxy sounding.

Maybe it's time for another Spankmaster! :D

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Post subject: Re: Fender Deluxe Reverb Reissue - Volume & Breakup
Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:16 pm
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rabmag wrote:
How much unbearably louder is the Super Reverb vs. the Deluxe Reverb? How much ballsier is it? How do they both compare to the Blues Jr?


I don't know that I'd term the Super Reverb "unbearable" but the Deluxe Reverb will hit the "sweet spot" sooner since it has roughly half the available power. Both can get "ballsy" -- the DR merely does it at more comfortable volume levels. As for a comparison with the BJr (and I'm gonna take a lotta flak here), the BJr will never produce the low end grunt of the either SR or DR simply because the EL84 output tubes lack the punch of the larger-bottled 6V6 and 6L6 glass.

And as cedarblues mentioned, that 15-inch driver in your 122 pulls the "B" in your B3's bass response. Which is why I prefer them for guitar.

Upshot? Go play a DRRI and A/B it in the store with a SRRI......let your ears make the decision.

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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:11 pm
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Hi Rabmag, I too have a Hammond(no percussion, probably a M model), I'd have to check the exact model #, but played for years with a B3 keyboardist in a blues band(I played guitar). The Lesilie was only used for recording. He used an amp called Motion-Sound(I think) and the PA, with a cut B3 for gigs. At any rate, comparing the organ's sound spread and growl with a guitar and amp is really tough. IMO the inherent focus of the instruments are quite different. But from what I think I'm hearing, a Tweed amp design would serve your purposes, better than the BF amp design. Just my opinion. Art

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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:28 pm
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You might be right, Art -- I never even considered that (probably because the discussion seemed centered on the DRRI and SRRI).

A brownface might also be more appropriate.

A pity that 1960 Vibrasonics are "somewhat scarce" on the planet right now.

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wow...I just listened to some clips on youtube of the 57 Twin and the 57 Deluxe. :shock:

The distortion has so many sweet harmonics and I fell in love instantly. Then I looked at the cost of these camps :shock: lol

That is a bit up there...the tone is absolutely incredible, though. :cry: Do you think it's possible with mods or various pedals to obtain a similar warm distortion with the Deluxe Reverb? Perhaps working off of a clean sound? My biggest issue with the Blues Jr is it's lack of bass & treble. I wanna feel the tone as well as hear it.


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The original tweeds all derived their overdriven tones via a complex balance of odd-order harmonics and organic compression due to a nuanced combination of relatively low preamp-tube plate voltage, cathode-follower tone stacks, and the prototypical power supply sag provided by the early tube rectifiers. This equilibrium was never duplicated in any of Leo's subsequent amp designs which continues to give the tweeds their appeal some half century after the fact. I don't think I've ever heard a credible re-creation of the tweed vibe from any stompbox, either analog or digital. Some may come close but to many disciples of the 5E3, 5D8, and 5F6 the pedals will always be also-rans.

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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 5:29 am
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I have a '66 DR and a RI '57 Deluxe,they sound similar,but not the same,the '57 has the interactive volume controls like the originals and you can get a variety of tones with that....they are pricey for sure....but sound good,another thing that comes into play is the tweed vs. BF sound,like Arjay explained...what really hampers you somewhat with the 5E3 Deluxe is how loud you would be playing with a drummer or whatever,they don't have the headroom as the DR naturally,but it all depends on how much "grit" you like,they are not to be overlooked in a small gig situation.
As far as the '66 DR vs a RI DR,I don't know but have heard many guys playing in music stores through them and they sound very good,and are a lot cheaper,from your original post,I really think you would be happy with the RI DR...at least try one and see how you feel.


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Hey man,

I have a Super Reverb, which is mainly for home use and I wouldn't call it unbearably loud at all. Usually the volume is set between 4 and 5. Depending on how hard I strum, I'll start to hear some natural breakup. But you can always jack into input 2 and get an instant 6db drop.

The BIGGER difference is measured in size and tone. The Super is very big and very heavy. Not fun to transport. But the sound of those four speakers working together delivers something I couldn't get from the Deluxe's single cone.

But that's up for your ears and your back to decide.

Hope that helps.


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decibels - Watts required
100 - 1
103 - 2
106 - 4
109 - 8
112 - 16
115 - 32
118 - 64
121 - 128
124 - 256
127 - 512
130 - 1024

So really there is not much sound difference between a 22 watt and a 40 watts.maybe 3 decibels


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But the sound of those four speakers working together delivers something I couldn't get from the Deluxe's single cone.


+1

In the past I owned a 5F6-A Bassman, a '64 Concert Amp, and a '67 Super Reverb. Nothing I've had either before or since ever sounded quite like the 4 x 10 configuration of those amps. The Bassman had P10Q's, the Concert 10K5's, and the SR CTS alnicos but they all possessed a similar vibe.

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But the sound of those four speakers working together delivers something I couldn't get from the Deluxe's single cone.


+1

In the past I owned a 5F6-A Bassman, a '64 Concert Amp, and a '67 Super Reverb. Nothing I've had either before or since ever sounded quite like the 4 x 10 configuration of those amps. The Bassman had P10Q's, the Concert 10K5's, and the SR CTS alnicos but they all possessed a similar vibe.

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Size and weight are something I have to take into consideration nowadays also.The DR is so nice in that it is easily carried and sounds so good,that's always it's two biggest attractions...to me at least.
Whenever I pick up my Pro Reverb with 2x12s,the first thing I think is,man the DR is so much lighter!...I know Bassmans and Super Reverbs are nice amps but I don't want to haul them around now.


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