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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:09 am
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Without a doubt fender got it so right with the 65 deluxe RI.

Probably the best production amp on the market today.

The only way it could be better would be if it were point to point for ease of repair and tweaking.

Thats why the botique guys are out there.

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Well there are a few things they could have done better, but over all their pretty nice. I would have liked to see them put the AC outlet on the back. I've had several vintage, DR's, SR's and a TR over my life time . If I found a RI DR cheap I'd buy it in a snap.

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blues bondsman wrote:
Without a doubt fender got it so right with the 65 deluxe RI.

Probably the best production amp on the market today.

The only way it could be better would be if it were point to point for ease of repair and tweaking.

Thats why the botique guys are out there.


Actually, Fender got it right in 1965 with the original. :wink:

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Actually, Fender got it right in 1965 with the original. :wink:


Actually, the fall of '63.

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63supro wrote:
Actually, Fender got it right in 1965 with the original. :wink:


Actually, the fall of '63.

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Yeah I know, I didn't want to confuse them. LOL

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Johnny Z wrote:
...The difference in over all volume is nil maybe 6db between 20 and 40 ...

actually it would be 3 db in this example. The rule is : to obtain a 3 db increase in volume you have to double the power output if all else remains equal. It's a logarithmic scale, not linear so a 50 watt amp would be 3 db louder than a 25 watt amp and a 100 watt amp would be 3 db louder than a 50 and therefore 6 db louder than a 25. Don't be mislead though people 6 db is significant even if it doesn't appear to be on paper.

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I have a '66 Deluxe Reverb 22w,and a '66 Pro Reverb 40w...and the Pro stays a little cleaner at higher volumes,but really,there's not a whole lot of difference before they both just get LOUD.
It's surprising what a well tuned BF DR can do.


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Rougly +3 dB between DR and BD Rebelsoul (refer to KTM message and mine in the previous page)! And also true for your hear because log scale is close to physiologic way we ear the sound.

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Interesting discussion.
Thanks for the Science Class! Or maybe Math Class!

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For what it's worth, I need to say something....

When people talk about dB, 6 dB are still insignificant to those suffer from hearing loss. Also, the frequencies low to high may exhibit a different curve if you were to take a hearing test and compared it with another player. You may suffer mild to moderate hearing loss in the mid to high range while the individual may suffer profoundly in the low range.
You may turn the trebles and mids up, while the next person may prefer more bass.
THIS boost and cut activity contributes to why everyone hears the same thing differently, some more so than others, and thus tone discussion is a subjective subject. This amp may project low and mid range better than that amp. You tweak squeak and squirm trying to find that tone which may in fact be there but unbeknownst to you, you may not realize that your hearing isn't what you think it is.

For me, As mentioned elsewhere, a tone stack that possessed as many as 30 frequency bands that are specific to the guitar's range, and a boost/cut of 80dB per band would be my idea of an amp with precision control.
Why? Because, for me, in my right ear, I suffer profound hearing loss @ 6kHz to the tune of 80 dB.
To my knowledge, they don't make anything like this at all. And it would have to be recognized that a setting that is pleasant to me would be horrible to someone else.

Again, if you have to ask why 30 (or more) bands? think of it like the screen resolution on your monitor 600x400 v. 1920x1080 Blocky v smooth contoured image depiction... Same thing for hearing.

And hearing aids don't correct heaing loss like glasses do for simple eyevision correction.


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And sadly many of us who have played loud music for years suffer from tinnitus,and will till we die...or go deaf.
My ears would ring so badly after gigs and practice,that it kept me awake...and now I don't even want to know what actual hearing loss I have...and I can blame guns also.
I try to keep the volume down some now,cranking it up just hurts.


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What is a Watt?

A watt is a unit of energy, like horsepower or joules. In audio, a watt is used to describe the energy output of a receiver or amplifier used to power a loudspeaker. The relationship between power output and speaker loudness or volume is not linear or straight (+10 watts does not equal +10 dB). For example, if you compare the maximum volume of a 50-watt amplifier with a 100-watt amplifier the difference is only 3 dB, barely greater than the ability of the human ear to hear the difference. It would take an amplifier with 10 times more power (500 watts!) to be perceived as being twice as loud (a +10 dB increase). Keep this in mind when purchasing an amplifier or receiver. 2X the power output = +3 dB increase, 10X the power output = +10 dB increase, or twice as loud.


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http://stereos.about.com/od/stereoscience/a/jargon1.htm


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So how many watts does the 236HP powerplant in my Toyota Tacoma produce?

And no -- it's not a "trick" question. All physics majors know the formula required for conversion.

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So how many watts does the 236HP powerplant in my Toyota Tacoma produce?

And no -- it's not a "trick" question. All physics majors know the formula required for conversion.

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176 Kilowatts

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You are correct, sir.

I tip my hat to you.

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