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Post subject: Rumors of New Princeton Reverb Reissue at NAMM
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:36 pm
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Any comments from Fender Folks? hehehe

This would be the very amp I've pushed for for 3 years. A pure, de-junked version of the bloated and premium-priced Princeton Recording which I dubbed "Scarface" (as opposed to Blackface) owing to the hideous metal strip below the control panel.

So far, Fender has been delivering reliably on my suggestions: The GDEC 30, the SCXD and the VCXD. Let's see if they keep my track record intact here!


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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:58 pm
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Chuck Levin at the Washington Music Center store just confirmed to me the introduction of the Princeton Reverb Reissue at NAMM, point-to-point, and pricey. "$800 range? Heh heh, noooo, I think it will be quite a bit more than that." Yikes. Ampeg makes a 6V6 20-watt PTP retro-combo for $800, why not Fender???


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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:14 pm
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No longer a rumor. Fender now lists the amp in their dealer product info as "'65 Princeton Reverb". MSRP: $1,130. If we take the standard 30% street reduction that puts it at $791.


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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:26 am
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At that price, I assume it would not be ptp, which is ok by me. I've been jonesing for a Blues Jr in tweed, but once I see these (obviously I haven't yet) I may divert to a Princeton Reverb instead....I'll be glued to this website over the weekend to see if and when it is unveiled!


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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:12 pm
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Word has it they won't show them this show since production schedule is lagging and they don't want to tease customers forever the way Peavey has for 18 mos. with the Windsor Studio or Kustom for over a year on the Defender.

They want to announce something, then promptly bring it. Note the lag time on the SCXD and VCXD was quite short. As disappointing as that is for us, it is the right way to go for a variety of reasons.


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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:52 pm
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You can build your own 5e3 PTP clone for the price of the Princeton and it's about the same wattage. I like the sound of a Tweed. I find Tweeds a little more versatile tone wise. 7-800 bucks for a 12 watt amp that's not hand wired is a bit steep. If it's a PCB the 3-$400 range would seem more fair.


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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:18 pm
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The DRRI is PCB, and going for $849. On the other hand, that new Ampeg 6V6 tone monster is PTP and only $799. Of course, PTP has no effect on tone.


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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:20 pm
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It does effect serviceability though. They are also cheaper to manufacture and should reflect that in the price. The Princeton was originally nothing more than a practice amp and was a sleight step up from a Champ. Great sounding amp but not worth that kind of cash.
If the amp isn't a good pcb design, reliability becomes an issue too. If the tubes are mounted to the PCB, I wouldn't touch it. That was the problem with my Hot Rod Deluxe.


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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:50 pm
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Yeah, gotta have good ceramic sockets independent of the board. How does Ampeg make that PTP for $799? Must be from China, an army of political prisoners and slave laborers with soldering guns--kinda scary.


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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:14 pm
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Probably. I know the new Vox 15 watter is PTP from China. I bet they use lead solder. :)


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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:40 pm
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Latest insider news has this arriving in May...and it's a lock, not a rumor. What we don't know for sure is: PTP or PCB? A true reissue or a modern "vintage" remake? The original was only 12 watts, which would take this out of gigability. But if they make it gigable with the full 22 watts you can get out of those 6V6s, it's just another DRRI.

So I'd guess they're going the full-bore reissue route with PTP, and it'll be very pricey. Think $1200+ street.


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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:40 pm
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Depending on what kind of music you play, you can gig with a 12 watt amp.
Neil Young always depended on a Fender Tweed Deluxe. That's only 13 watts. I've even used a 74 Champ pushing 2 tens and mic'd it. No problem and sounded really sweet. You can gig with almost any amp. It just depends whether you have your own pa system. Every band I was ever in for the past 30 years had a pa system. That's a lot of cash for that amp. I would probably build a kit before I bought one.


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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:55 pm
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Yeah, I don't think we're gonna get it in the, say, Ampeg J-20 range of $799 (also PTP 2-6V6).

Yeah, as long as it's your band and you control everything, you could gig with nothing but a PA and a Pod.

But what with guys sitting in, jamming, changing bands, drunks, all that real world stuff, I've always found it's good to have a few extra watts in the tank when the going gets cranky. Or maybe a Cube-60 in your trunk. Those things DOMINATE.


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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:29 pm
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Oh ya, it's already posted on the dealer site--"65 Princeton Reverb". List is around $1150, street should be about 8 bills.


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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:18 pm
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Maruuk,
Man, I don't live on Mars, I do live in the real world.
Actually really close to Philadelphia, Pa. I play in tons of bars and clubs in the Tri State area, some good some bad. The fact of the matter is, if you're too loud in a lot of the places I play, you get shut down. Some bar owners even have DB meters. They expect professional entertainment not of bunch of out of control wankers, even at the open mic nights. At festivals, the sound crew takes care of it. In larger auditoriums, same thing. It is possible to get great tone at lower volumes even without a sound man.
Even $800 is a little steep for a Princeton.


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