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Post subject: I am thinking of buying a Cyber Twin SE but need your info
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 1:06 am
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Hello all..

I got my eye on a Cyber Twin SE, looks like it will do the job.. I do over 300 gigs a year and need an all in one package due to the constant travel involved... This amp has a couple of tubes which is a deal maker for me because the modeling stuff dosnt cut it yet...

Well it all looks good on paper and the harmony central reviews are mostly good to fair... but you know how that is.. :wink:

So I just wanted to ask some actual users here if I should shell out the cash to buy one.? Does it hold up to the bangs of the road? Can it cut the searing rock solo thing?

And another important question.. are they switchable to 220 volts?

Thank you in advance for sharing your experience....

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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 1:44 am
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I have no love whatsoever for a cyber anything. I think chips, MOSFETs, and op-amps are swell for the space program and implantable medical devices but aside from some handy outboard effects pedals, I do not use them or trust them. The product cycle for many of these components is often as short as five years -- after that, if you need a replacement part it may not be available......from anybody. Meanwhile, I can totally rebuild my Dual Showman again and again and again, some fifty years after it was originally made because the "supply line" is nearly infinite.

That said, Fender does show multiple models of the Cyber Twin available with different regional input voltages......

P/N 2290000010 (120V, 60Hz) USA
P/N 2290001010 (110V, 60Hz) TW
P/N 2290003010 (240V, 50Hz) AUS
P/N 2290004010 (230V, 50Hz) UK
P/N 2290005010 (230V, 50Hz) EUR
P/N 2290007010 (100V, 50/60Hz) JPN

(I assume that 'TW' means "third world")

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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:03 am
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Thank you for your response much appreciated,

I was wondering is a bought a used one in the USA could I "convert" it to a 220 model I could use in Europe.. I see they are now "click/switch" convertible so I guess I would need to buy a euro transformer ...

presuming Fender will sell me that part....

Some times they dont to protect their European dealers from USA product leaks into their territory. Thus we pay 3 times the amount charged in the USA
:( anyway , where there is a will there is a way...

lets presume the amp can be converted "somehow" then there is the question of whether the amp is actual a pro level amp worthy of touring on the road and its sound quality for searing leads :)

anyone use these amps? Whats you personal experience?


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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:29 am
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:55 am
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Probably the best blues guitarist in our area uses a Cyber Twin SE and has for quite awhile. I think the issue with the Cyber Twin is not the sound (which is excellent) it's with the future support for the amp from Fender. At one time they had a Cyber Champ, Cyber Deluxe, as well as the Twin. They seem to be moving away from this product and as Ajay said finding parts in the future could be a problem.


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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:14 pm
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Have "converted" to the Cyber Twins, have several SE's and CT's and one JC-120, sold off my TRRI & PTTR quite a while ago. Have found the SE's to play incredibly well, the music I play is relatively clean with reverb + delay as appropriate, touch of distortion.

So far, these amps have taken a beating travelling on the road and have not failed. I all fairness, they have never been dropped either. Very reliable, much better than my tube gear ever was.

The greatest thing about the Cyber Twins is their incredible versatility & tones of great tones. They have a lot to offer, the learning curve is a bit steep, but that's because there's so much in these amps to discover.

I personally think the greatest amps Fender has ever built are these Cyber Twins because they are so good and not boring, really revolutionary.

As for comparison with tube stuff, well, it's bit like comparing a 60 inch (solid state, space age) plasma versus a 50's black&white tv. Yes, i suppose one can rebuild such a tube tv many times...

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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:27 pm
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yep and you can throw the space age plasma in the trash when it burns up.

Nothing to repair and not worth the effort or time.

Really what a lame comparison !!!

The SS stuff will never sound as good as a good old Tube amp.

If its not broke why spend your whole life trying to fix it ?

Bring on your best "space aged Junk" any time and we will A-B them with my humble tube amps.

I've done it many times and sorry the sterile dead over processed junk just does not come close, if it did Fender would stop selling tube amps today.

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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:53 pm
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oh yes, a lame comparison, that's why the forum is filled with tube amp problem posts. the thing about the space stuff is that it rarely breaks so it doesn't need to get fixed. and now the kicker, the ss stuff sounds better if it's setup better... just like tube stuff sounds better if it's setup better. i've done the a-b thing, most cannot tell, tube afficionados are statistically similar to anyone else. As for selling, P.T Barnum put it best. it's bothesome when pseudo facts, essentially flatuence, is passed of as tone gospel.

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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:22 pm
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awesomejohn, I just bought a used Cyber today for one reason, TONE.
There is no mistaking the Fender clean sound. However, your question and some of the replies prompted me to write. NO ONE can tell you about a product but yourself when it comes to satisfying your needs. It pains me when a person asks for advice about brand A or B. "Should I buy it?" "Is it any good?" Go with what works for YOU. Not what a "pro" says. Your sound is what makes you unique, not mine or theirs.

For those of you tube snobs, modeling amps, or the Cyber are designed to give a musician options when performing or recording different styles of music. Yes, there are some brands out there with flaws, but don't slam a product because you don't like it for your one dimensional sound. Personally, I play rock, country, metal, and pop, so I use solid state amps and let my PLAYING and multi-effects pedals do the talking. Never had a solid state amp fail, so the comment about failing solid state amps is off base. ANY amp can fail. It all depends on how well you care for and maintain your equipment.

I had two fender twins that every six months I was replacing all the tubes to keep that "sound" I was used to. changing tubes that much was expensive. Tube purists never explain that. Not everyone can afford replacing tubes that often. I can, and had to because tubes loose their lustre over time. When you reach a certain age, the weight of a tube amp takes it's toll.

I will say that for live use, the audience does not know or care if your amp is tube or solid state. I get more compliments about my Raven RG60 and RG100 than I do of my Fender Stage 185. All three are solid state amps.

awesomejohn, there are factors when deciding on the amp for you. What kind of guitar are you using? single coil, or humbucker? Or both? Live use? Studio only? or in the bedroom? Kind of music? Originals? Covers? In a band? Playiing in clubs? dive bars? casinos? So you see, just asking a question about an amp involves much more than a basic question. My answer to you is to try out different amps within your budget, needs, and then decide. Good luck


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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:07 pm
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The indisputable fact is, 93% of all Fender amps built in 1966 are still "on the road" delivering the blackface tone that made them LEGENDARY.

Meanwhile, many RAD's, JAM's, HOT's, DSP's, SE's, FM's, etc have already taken up permanent residence in local landfills because they are no longer repairable.

Does anybody really think Fender will market a "re-issue" G-DEC thirty or forty years from now because the design came to be known as a "classic"? Those who do probably thought New Coke was a peachy idea in '85 and bought 600 shares in the company right before the OTC price tanked and Moody's privately told investors to dump their Coca-Cola holdings in favor of Pepsico.

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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:09 am
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The amazing flatulence that tube snobs produce indicate P T Barnum was right.

It might be fashionable to have a tube amp, dream that it somehow has a miraculous effect on your playing ability but I know there's no substitute for developed talent. As for fashion, yes you can be one of the herd or you can be the next fashion lead. Used to be smoking cigarettes was fashionable too. I suppose we know better. I'll settle for a SE over any tube amp.

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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:30 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
The indisputable fact is, 93% of all Fender amps built in 1966 are still "on the road" delivering the blackface tone that made them LEGENDARY.

Meanwhile, many RAD's, JAM's, HOT's, DSP's, SE's, FM's, etc have already taken up permanent residence in local landfills because they are no longer repairable.

Does anybody really think Fender will market a "re-issue" G-DEC thirty or forty years from now because the design came to be known as a "classic"? Those who do probably thought New Coke was a peachy idea in '85 and bought 600 shares in the company right before the OTC price tanked and Moody's privately told investors to dump their Coca-Cola holdings in favor of Pepsico.

Arjay


Exactly!! Though you'll never convince ole johnny of that. It's a business to him you see!! :P JMHO and YMMV!! :lol:


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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:40 am
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Exactly!! Though you'll never convince ole johnny of that. It's a business to him you see!! :P JMHO and YMMV!! :lol:


I am not a "Luddite" here......

I am THE LUDDITE!

In all fairness, I think it's great that there are folks enamored of the latest technological "tour de force" widgets.

It keeps them out of the vintage amp market, which leaves more opportunity for me.

After all, I only have TEN OF THEM (all of which continue to appreciate in value).

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Arjay (continually tossing wooden shoes into the wheels of "progress")

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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:46 am
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:17 am
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If ever there was a snake oil sales pitch in the amp industry its the same old lame claim that SS can make a tone as good or better than a tube circuit.

Lets face it ultra clean and guitar don't mix, you need a touch of distortion in the cleanest of amps to have tone.

Its all about vibration from begining to end.

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