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Post subject: Fender Blues Deluxe Reissue sound
Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 9:56 pm
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I bought a a BDR and it sounds a little muddy.A freind of mine has the same amp but sounds way awsome..........Now he changed out the tubes with some JJs from Erotube and set the Bias...Wow what a difference it made in the sound.So my question is if I do the same will it void Fenders warenty.


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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 1:10 am
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Probably not as long as the work was performed by an authorized Fender tech.

Tube type and biasing can make all the difference in the world to an amp's tone.

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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 2:43 am
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I agree with Arjay....

Simply and only because I have amps stacked to the roof in my music room I modded my BDRI.

Click on the link below to look at my mod post, it may or may not help you :wink:

http://www.fender.com/community/forums/ ... highlight=


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Post subject: New Tubes
Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:04 am
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Yea that post helped a lot, And I agree with you the notes do not sound clear as they should or I want them to.like I said they sound a little muddy.After talking to Eurotube I think Iam going with the following set up.

Fender Blues Deluxe-Deville Gold Pin Blues Option
Price: $95.50
Description: This kit is the gold pin version of the Blues Option for these amps so if you like it smooth here you go! A hotter matched pair of the JJ 6L6GC's for the reissue or the original fixed bias 90's Blues Deluxe or Deville for a big warm tone along with a standard gold pin ECC83S for V1, a gold pin ECC81 for V2 to drop the gain with one balanced gold pin ECC83S for the phase inverter in V3. These will reduce the preamp gain for players wanting less gain.


I looking for that good Ronnie Earl,Marvin Taylor, blues sound with a good Jazz sound as well, Anyways if anyone has used this let me know.


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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:29 am
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You won't void the warranty and you really don't need gold pin tubes. The gold pins will not make the amp sound any better. I ran Eurotubes JJ's Blues Option #1 in my HRDlx and it really improved the tone of the amp. It's a shame it didn't help all my reliability issues. IMO gold pin and cryogenic tubes are nothing but money making hype. Total BS. A good guitar cord will improve your tone more that gold pin tubes. I'm sure Arjay will agree that we got along for over 40 years without gold pins and some of the best tones around were created without them. :wink: I'd take the difference in price and get a spare set of matched power tubes and a couple fuses.

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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:36 am
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63supro wrote:
You won't void the warranty and you really don't need gold pin tubes. The gold pins will not make the amp sound any better. I ran Eurotubes JJ's Blues Option #1 in my HRDlx and it really improved the tone of the amp. It's a shame it didn't help all my reliability issues. IMO gold pin and cryogenic tubes are nothing but money making hype. Total BS. A good guitar cord will improve your tone more that gold pin tubes. I'm sure Arjay will agree that we got along for over 40 years without gold pins and some of the best tones around were created without them. :wink: I'd take the difference in price and get a spare set of matched power tubes and a couple fuses.


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The only instance I can think of where gold-plated tube pins might make sense is if you're booked as a long-term act on a cruise ship. Salt air wreaks havoc with all things electrical.

"I'd take the difference in price and get a spare set of matched power tubes and a couple fuses."

You listen to this gentleman......he's got college.

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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:41 am
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try a compressor in the effects loop. i did all the tube changing and speaker swapping too. the comp. limits the volume and the dynamics of the amp and brings out the distortion. i have my amps gain at 3 and the master at 12. you realy can control the amps breakup with the guitar volume. the e.c. strat is killer with this amp and this setup. if you have a compressor laying around plug it in and give it a try. sometimes it an't the tubes it's how the amp is constructed(no tube rectifier for real "sag").


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Post subject: tubes
Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:04 am
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So you are saying the GOLD PIN will NOT make a difference on the tone?
So I can go with the following:

[i][b]Fender Blues Deluxe-Deville Blues Option
Price: $66.25
Description: A hotter matched pair of the JJ 6L6GC's for the reissue or the original fixed bias 90's Blues Deluxe or Deville for a big warm tone along with a standard ECC83S for V1, an ECC81 for V2 to drop the gain with one balanced ECC83S for the phase inverter in V3. These will reduce the preamp gain for players wanting less gain. [/b] [/i]And I will get about or just the same sound as the GOLD PINS?


I mean that would save me $30.00 bones or so.......


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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 1:09 pm
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Yep, the gold pins will make no difference in the tone. Some of the gold scratches off as soon as you plug them in. I agree with Arjay, the only possible benefit would be if you gig on cruise ships because if the salt air. The tube sockets themselves don't have gold receptacles so what's the point? As long as the sockets are tight, you'll have no problems.

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Post subject: RE: Fender Blues Deluxe Reissue sound
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:21 am
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I just sold my Blues Jr and purchased a BDR. I have no complaint on the sound with either humbuckers or single coils (P90 included). I do have a topic started on attenuators though as the amp is loud. Love the sound, may even sell my HRD 410 (which is even louder). I have not tried the clean channel yet. :o


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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:34 am
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When you get higher power amps, and I know, I played a 100 watt Twin for 30+ years, you really cheat yourself out of the tube tone you're really after. I now gig with 20 watts and am at one with my tonal universe. 15 watts may leave you a little short in some situations 20-30 watts seems perfect for most everything I do. If I need more juice, I can always borrow my old Twin back. I gig with a 20 watt Egnater Rebel and just use a second cabinet for larger venues. It hasn't let me down yet.

On attenuators, I haven't found one yet that didn't suck tone to some degree. The Dr. Z is one of the better ones. Just be aware, if you crank your amp with an attenuator, you'll go through tubes much faster. It's the same as cranking your amp.

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On attenuators, I haven't found one yet that didn't suck tone to some degree. The Dr. Z is one of the better ones. Just be aware, if you crank your amp with an attenuator, you'll go through tubes much faster. It's the same as cranking your amp.[/quote]


Supro knows his stuff when it comes to amps(along with several others), can't go wrong with his advice. I also like the Dr. Z Air brake. Don't own one but it would be the one of choice for me.



Still haven't got an Egnater yet Supro!! :(


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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:54 am
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fhopkins, Now I'm looking at a Tweaker LOL. Low wattage amps are seriously addicting. I'm also looking at the THD Special 6. So far the Rebel's been bulletproof. :D

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63supro wrote:
fhopkins, Now I'm looking at a Tweaker LOL. Low wattage amps are seriously addicting. I'm also looking at the THD Special 6. So far the Rebel's been bulletproof. :D




I hear you brother! Keep us posted!! :wink:


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Post subject: Re: tubes
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:10 am
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So you are saying the GOLD PIN will NOT make a difference on the tone?
So I can go with the following:

[i][b]Fender Blues Deluxe-Deville Blues Option
Price: $66.25
Description: A hotter matched pair of the JJ 6L6GC's for the reissue or the original fixed bias 90's Blues Deluxe or Deville for a big warm tone along with a standard ECC83S for V1, an ECC81 for V2 to drop the gain with one balanced ECC83S for the phase inverter in V3. These will reduce the preamp gain for players wanting less gain. [/b] [/i]And I will get about or just the same sound as the GOLD PINS?


I mean that would save me $30.00 bones or so.......


That is the tube package I bought from Eurotubes too. Very sweet sounding. Setting the bias properly is a must. Also play with the EQ settings. I play only at home for myself. I use input #2 with treble at 5, middle at 7, bass at 3, and presence at 5. Perfect blues tone. YMMV.

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