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Post subject: blues deluxe vs '57 deluxe
Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:02 pm
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I was wondering why the fender '57 deluxe is so mutch more expencive the a fender blues deluxe?

I would go for the blues deluxe, but i fear that it's 40 watt is to loud and that the 57 has a beter sound (tone) that the blues deluxe.


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The '57 Deluxe re-issue is hand-wired in the United States Of America.

The Blues Deluxe uses printed-circuit board construction and hails from Ensenada, Mexico.

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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:49 pm
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aha, that explains a lot!


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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:07 pm
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Only similarity is the fabric on the cabinet.The 57 Deluxe is 12 watts of tonal heaven .Blues Deluxe is not that at all.Been wanting to try a 57 deluxe kit for some time.You can get a kit for around the same price as a BDLX.


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Post subject: Re: blues deluxe vs '57 deluxe
Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:06 am
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Donald77 wrote:
I was wondering why the fender '57 deluxe is so mutch more expencive the a fender blues deluxe?

I would go for the blues deluxe, but i fear that it's 40 watt is to loud and that the 57 has a beter sound (tone) that the blues deluxe.


I have been playing a Hot Rod Deluxe for years and recently purchased a 57 Deluxe reissue.

Wow.
I thought my Hot Rod Deluxe sounded great until I heard the 57 Deluxe.
The difference is night and day.

The 57 Deluxe sounds far more open, transparent and defined. Individual notes in chords do not break up, and the dynamics and sensitivity of the amp are stellar. Through various combinations of inputs, volumes and tone, this amp is able to create the most diverse set of sounds I have heard in one amp. It's clean, bright, and punchy and low volumes, and distortion levels create well defined, compressed distortion.

Great Amp


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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:53 am
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Apples and oranges. The only thing that the 57 Deluxe and the Blues Deluxe have in common is the name "Deluxe" in their name.

The 57 Deluxe is a reissue of a..well... 1957 Deluxe. Like mentioned above, the old school handwiring and made in USA make it pricey.

The Blues Deluxe is a reissue too, but of an amp that was made in the early 90's, not the 50's. The 90's original was made in the US and the reissue is made in Mexico, but they are both made with modern PCB construction instead of handwiring, and one isn't "better" than the other one.

Just take a look at the specs of these amps on this website and compare. 57 Dlx is low powered, tube rectified, 6V6 power tubes, alnico speaker, and no bells and whistles since it's based on a vintage amp. It breaks up soon and sounds heavenly.

The Blues Dlx can be deafening, 6L6 power tubes, ceramic speaker, solid state rectifier, has bells and whistles like reverb/effects loop/master volume/channel switching. It stays cleaner at much higher volumes than the 57 Dlx. I believe the tonestack in the Blues Dlx is much more related to 60's Blackface Fenders than 50's Tweed, so it won't sound anything like the 57 Dlx anyway.

Two very different amps. Just like there is not much in common between the Deluxe Reverb, Deluxe VM, Deluxe 85, Deluxe 90 DSP, etc etc. Fender just likes the name Deluxe. It adds an air of sophistication to products. :P

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Post subject: Re: blues deluxe vs '57 deluxe
Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:56 am
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markr01000 wrote:
It's clean, bright, and punchy and low volumes, and distortion levels create well defined, compressed distortion.


Indeed!

Much more organic than the "fizz" and "more fizz" modes available with the HRD.

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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:35 am
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Thanks for the comments guys, there is a lot of knowledge in this forum.

So if i understand it correctly, you have two sorts of fender reissue tweed amps.
The fender '57 champ and '57 deluxe on one side (point to point, and tone machines) and on the other side there is the blues junior and blues deluxe (mexico made, less tone monsters, cheaper).


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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:03 am
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There is also a 5F8 "low power" tweed Twin Amp from the Fender custom shop, with PTP wiring and a pair of alnico 12's. This is Eric Clapton's current "main squeeze".

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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:11 am
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Donald77 wrote:
Thanks for the comments guys, there is a lot of knowledge in this forum.

So if i understand it correctly, you have two sorts of fender reissue tweed amps.
The fender '57 champ and '57 deluxe on one side (point to point, and tone machines) and on the other side there is the blues junior and blues deluxe (mexico made, less tone monsters, cheaper).


That's a good way to think of it. However, The Blues Junior is not a reissue and the Blues Deluxe isn't a true vintage reissue (Fender just offered it for a couple years in the early 90's, discontinued it in the mid 90's and then brought it back a few years ago. It's not based on a vintage amp).

The Blues Deluxe/Deville and tweed edition Blues Junior are just tweed in cosmetics only. Tweed can mean the covering of an amp or the circuit. The tweed covered Blues Dlx and Jr model circuits are very different from the vintage and reissue 'Tweed' Fenders of the 50's. They have more in common with the 'Blackface' Fenders of the 60's even though they are covered in tweed. Basically the Blues Deluxe and Blues Junior aren't cheaper versions of the more expensive reissue amps. Unfortunately, if you want that vintage style tone you have to pay for it. The Blues Dlx and Jr are still great amps on their own though! Sorry for rambling on.

I would say an expensive vs cheap comparison based on power (not necissarily tone) would be:
57 Champ = Champ 600
57 Deluxe = Blues Junior or Pro Junior
59 Bassman = Blues Deluxe or Deville

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A decent lower price alternative might be the Blues Junior NOS.
It's 15 watts of 12AX7/EL84 power with a tone, master volume and a 12" Jensen. I own one and like it a lot. Check out a few YouTube samples out there.
It's not in the same league as the 57 Deluxe, but it's almost 1/4 the price and I like it better than my Hot Rod Deluxe.


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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 1:48 pm
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Yep that Blues junior caught my attention as well. I heard a lot of good things about that one.


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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:06 pm
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I just saw a 57 deluxe kit from Mission go for 550 on ebay.Fully assembled.That would be a better option.


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with kit you mean a éput it together yourself" kit?


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Donald77 wrote:
with kit you mean a éput it together yourself" kit?
Yes,but this one was already put together.


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