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Post subject: Fender Blues Deville Reissue - Setup and volume "taming
Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 6:46 pm
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I've just bought a Blues Deville Reissued (40W - 1x12"), NICE AMP!!! I'm in love with it. I have a Stratocaster with custom set 59-62 pick-ups and a SG. Both guitars sound great with this amp. My style is Chicago Blues and Rock (Stones, Clapton etc).

The problem is HOW TO CONTROL THE VOLUME, at the reherasal sections the guys are blamming me, asking to turn down the volume, and I´m on 1 or 2 maximum!!!

Anyone has a tip on tame this amp? May I use a pedal as a Mesa V-TWIN or something like that?

What is the best set up for a Clapton , Bud Guy register?

THANKS IN ADVANCE!!!


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Post subject: Correction AMP MODEL - Sorry for that
Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:06 pm
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CORRECTION,

AMP BLUES DELUXE REISSUED (40W - 1x 12")...


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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 4:36 am
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There are 2 ways:

1. Modification of potentiometer but you loose the warranty (see Fromel or other ...)

2. Use a resistive load, you don't loose the warranty but the sound is a little bit different as far as the impedance of a resistor is flat versus frequencies (in the audio range) and not the speaker.

By the way, I agree with you about the pot volume, I don't know why 7ender didn't modify this.

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Post subject: Fender Blues DeLuxe Reissue - Setup and volume "taming&
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:14 am
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Thanks Tissan,

I was wondering about the POT, nice hearing from you the same oppinion.

I'll search the circuit schematic to check the POT value. I supposed it is a LOG POT, pehaps a LINEAR will be a better solution.

One guy told me to change the split tube before the push pull for a 12AT7, that has a reduced gain compared to the original 12AX7, but I´m not sure about that, I prefer the POT solution.

I'm in Brazil, I bought this amp in NYC on July. I think it will be better changing the POT even loosen the warranty. As I'm in Brazil I think that the USA warranty does not cover my amp, here.

Thanks again.


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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:52 pm
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Plug into input #2. It's sensitivity is 6dB lower than input number 1. That's what I use at home and I have the volume control set on "6".

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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 1:37 pm
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There is a third way (may be more: at7, -6dB input):

To use the effect in/out with juste a potentiometer as an attenuator for signal, 10K-47K log would be fine (output impedance rougly 1.5K, input impedance about 200K). More noise but it works.

For pots:
http://www.tubesandmore.com/ (clic on potentiometers ....)
Original is linear, a replacement by logarithmique should be probably more audio. I didn't experienced this, prehaps Shimmilou did it.

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Post subject: Volume Control on Blues DeLuxe
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:07 pm
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Guys you're amazing,

Thanks for the tips, I saw that attenuator stuff, it seems great, I´ll check it better.

Do you think placing a pedal (say a BOSS CS3 Compressor) on the loop send-return and try to tame the amp using the LEVEL adjust on the pedal will work? (as Tissan said, the low expensive POT 100K could be a noise solution)

I've tried the INPUT 2, with my Strato and my SG, but the volume is still very high on the 1 and 2 position.

I still think that the root cause is the Volume POT, that is so sensitive. I'll check it on the schematics and pehaps change this POT will be a final and clean solution.

THANKS and PLEASE keep feeding me with your tips.

Other: Can you share settings for a STRATO playing BUDDY GUY and CLAPTON, for this AMP?


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Post subject: Blues DeLuxe Volume sensitivity
Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:23 am
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Hey friends,

I got the BDL Reissue Schematic Diagram, the VOLUME POT is a 250Koms A (A means LOG).

So the best solution is change it or a 250K B (LINEAR).

This could be a solution for give more control on the volume pot, as the Volume POT is on the first vacuum tube section, before Tone and Master/Drive, so this change will not impact on the Fender wonderfull sound.

Anyone tried this?

It seems to be a realistic solution for this issue. This amp is perfect except for this voume control.

Thaks for your comments on it...


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Post subject: Re: Blues DeLuxe Volume sensitivity
Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:58 am
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xicobhz wrote:
Hey friends,

I got the BDL Reissue Schematic Diagram, the VOLUME POT is a 250Koms A (A means LOG).

So the best solution is change it or a 250K B (LINEAR).

This could be a solution for give more control on the volume pot, as the Volume POT is on the first vacuum tube section, before Tone and Master/Drive, so this change will not impact on the Fender wonderfull sound.

Anyone tried this?

It seems to be a realistic solution for this issue. This amp is perfect except for this voume control.

Thaks for your comments on it...


That is absolutely the WORST solution.

Read this:

http://www.geofex.com/Article_Folders/p ... tscret.htm

Then do some research on your own regarding pot tapers and human hearing.

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Post subject: Bules DeLuxe Volume control
Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:18 am
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MANY THANKS BlueSky636!!!

Nice article. I saw that it's not so quite simple...

Yes, I agree with you , I have to get deep on it before trying something...

Thanks again.


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Post subject: Re: Blues DeLuxe Volume sensitivity
Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:20 am
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bluesky636 wrote:
That is absolutely the WORST solution.

Read this:

http://www.geofex.com/Article_Folders/p ... tscret.htm

Then do some research on your own regarding pot tapers and human hearing.


+1

Better to change the value to 500kΩ (or even 1MΩ like the blackface amps) with an audio taper to permit more "sweep".

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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 2:04 pm
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Two things.

Put a 12au in V3 and then control the volume from the guitar.

On the dirty channel I set the drive to 10 and the the main to 4. Then adjust pot on guitar.

Sweet.


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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 2:34 pm
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Actually, the volume (clean channel) is controled by a bridge divider R6=100Kand R7 POT 250K at V1, the first stage of the amplifier, the rest of the amp is full amplification.
The problem is the "divider" is not enough progressive for ear point of view.

+1 for Retroverbial, more sweep.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:00 pm
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Tissan wrote:
Actually, the volume (clean channel) is controled by a bridge divider R6=100Kand R7 POT 250K at V1, the first stage of the amplifier, the rest of the amp is full amplification.
The problem is the "divider" is not enough progressive for ear point of view.


I'd be tempted to increase the R6 value as well -- say, to 120kΩ or even 180kΩ. That would make the new (replaced) volume pot seem a skosh "livelier" at the lower end of the sweep (similar to a "loudness" switch on a stereo amp or receiver). JMO of course......YMMV.

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