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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:39 am
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Let your ears decide!
I would (if I were in your shoes, and considering I'm already bias, I've got a HRD and LOVE IT) go to a shop that has both amps and play thru them, until they either threw me out or I picked which one I liked better.


If you want a good clean sound you can not go far wrong with a fender amp, people always say, I wish I got the fender now, their is no doubt about it for clean they rule, marshall even took the bassman circuitry and put it into marshall amps


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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:52 am
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When you say cheap, how cheap would you say the Peavey Classic series dould be bought?


I've seen them anywhere from $275 to $325 for something really clean. The Blues Jr ain't doing the classic Fender clean either. Not with EL84's biased way too hot. EL84's have a bit more bite and aggressiveness to them. That's what I like about my Egnater Rebel, I can blend EL84's with the 6V6 power tubes to ant degree to get something really unique.

Like I mentioned before, my HRDlx was a reliability nightmare. And it really didn't do the clean thing all that well either at anything over four on the volume dial. My Twin though :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe vs. Peavey Classic 30
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:54 am
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The Peavey Classic 30 also has EL84 output tubes. :idea: It is surprising to me because after hearing one for the first time, I expected to see a couple of 6L6s in there instead of four EL84s. :o

I thought the same thing, "EL84s won't give the classic Fender tone" (paraphrasing), but the PC30 sure sounds sweet to me. I am a huge HRDlx fan, but I really like the PC30 sound, it does great clean and wonderful driven. I would even go so far as to say that the PC30 drive sounds better than the HRDlx drive. Definitely a tough choice between the two, somewhat different sounds......the 30 is US made......hmmm. :?:

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Post subject: Re: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe vs. Peavey Classic 30
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:41 am
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The drive on the Classic 30 is much better IMO. The only problem I see with the EL84's is tube rattle. But as mentioned before by Arjay, a different speaker does wonders for this already great sounding amp. I just a nice sounding design.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe vs. Peavey Classic 30
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:53 am
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The drive on the Classic 30 is much better IMO. The only problem I see with the EL84's is tube rattle. But as mentioned before by Arjay, a different speaker does wonders for this already great sounding amp. I just a nice sounding design.


+1

The C30 does yield a classic '50s vibe after a few modest tweaks. And they make those little jock-strap thingies that help to keep the elements in its EL84's from shakin' like a chihuahua shittin' a peach pit.

It pains me to say this but given a choice between these two amps, I'd opt for the Peavey.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe vs. Peavey Classic 30
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:00 pm
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The only criticism that I have of the Peavey would be from a tech standpoint (unless they have changed the design/layout). I still can't stand the site of all of those little jumper wires connecting the circuit boards together. The last one that I fixed, one of those little wires had a broken solder joint, and the solder joints are all underneath the board, inaccessible without dis-assembly. I was able to bypass the circuit trace and solder a wire directly to the bottom board as there was room on a trace at the edge of it. As I studied the layout, I found that many of the connections simply passed from the first board through the second board, then to the third board components, not connecting to the middle board components. The little solid-wire connections look as if flexing them would cause them to break easily. I see these connections as just small uncovered ribbon cables, although the ribbon cables are more flexible, probably because they use stranded wire. :idea:

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Post subject: Re: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe vs. Peavey Classic 30
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:25 pm
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The HRDlx is no picnic either. My Tech cringed whenever I brought it in. None of these amps are easy to service. Fender uses plenty of connectors from ribbon connectors to spade connectors to tiny little what look like Moland connectors.

My Egnater has mostly flying leads and decent gauge wire. So I guess there's still hope.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe vs. Peavey Classic 30
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:22 pm
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:lol: True.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe vs. Peavey Classic 30
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:00 am
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This is an interesting thread. For one thing, Fender bills the HRD as "the standard for gigging guitarists worldwide." I've been to tons of gigs and I can't ever recall seeing any band using the HRD. Meanwhile, I've seen plenty of bands using Peavey Classic amps. Also, the one amp that seems to get consistently panned on these boards, for whatever reason, is the HRD. If you insist on a Fender tube amp in that price range, I recommend you spend the extra $50-$75 an get a Blues Deluxe Reissue. Meanwhile, you can find tons of youtube videos on both amps, for what that's worth. Either way, happy hunting.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe vs. Peavey Classic 30
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:24 pm
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strattastic12 wrote:
Fender bills the HRD as "the standard for gigging guitarists worldwide."


And I've got this bridge over the East River in NYC I'll sell for cheap......

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe vs. Peavey Classic 30
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:50 pm
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I'd go for the Peavey for sure. I've owned both HR's & Peavey Classics, the Peavey Classics are better built & far more reliable than Fender's HR amps. If it's "Fender" tone you're after look at a better series such as the re-issues. If "Top Shelf" quality at a "fair" price is your thing, you absolutely will not do any better than Peavey's Classic line of amps. The Peavey Classics are US made & priced at a similar level to the imported HR's.

It's a no brainer.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe vs. Peavey Classic 30
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:05 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
strattastic12 wrote:
Fender bills the HRD as "the standard for gigging guitarists worldwide."


And I've got this bridge over the East River in NYC I'll sell for cheap......

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:53 am
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The HR-DLx is 6L6 based, the B-Junior is EL84 based very different sounding tubes.
HR-DLx III has a standard 12" Celestion® G12P-80 speaker
B-Junior III has a 12 inch, Fender® “Lightning Bolt” special design speaker by Eminence.

Not sure how they can sound similar :)

But it comes down to if you like the way the HR-DLx sounds that would be the choice to make !
Until you get tired of it, the Hot-Rod's don't hold their value well for resale.


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Thanks for all the suggestions but I think Im pretty much set on the Hot Rod Deluxe, perfect wattage/volume and it sounds like the "big brother" of the blues junior.

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peterp wrote:
The HR-DLx is 6L6 based, the B-Junior is EL84 based very different sounding tubes.
HR-DLx III has a standard 12" Celestion® G12P-80 speaker
B-Junior III has a 12 inch, Fender® “Lightning Bolt” special design speaker by Eminence.

Not sure how they can sound similar :)

But it comes down to if you like the way the HR-DLx sounds that would be the choice to make !
Until you get tired of it, the Hot-Rod's don't hold their value well for resale.


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Thanks for all the suggestions but I think Im pretty much set on the Hot Rod Deluxe, perfect wattage/volume and it sounds like the "big brother" of the blues junior.


They don't sound similar at all. It's not a big brother, big sister. It's more like a third cousin twice removed. They weren't designed to sound similar. It's also true the HRDs don't hold their resale value. I was offered $275 for mine in mint cosmetic condition. It was a little over four years old. There's tons of them on the used market and the warranty's transferable. I'd go used if I were you. The DRRI used is a much better value and cuts a mix like a knife.

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Jeffytune wrote:
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Why go for either amp? After seeing a techie gut a Peavey Classic 30 and be forced to do 5 immediate mods to get it working best (which voids your warranty), I'd go for the Fender. I've got a 60W Supersonic. It's SO awesome I don't need any other amp. If price is the issue, wouldn't there be some reasonably priced 22W to 40W Fender amps you could look into? Check the internet extensively. You should be pleasantly surprised at what you'll find.
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What load of Cr@p! You do not have to do anything to get a good tone out of a Classic 30/50/Delta series except for a new set of good tubes.

Sounds like a amp tech that is just trying to sell you a bill of goods!


I have to agree i have had a classic 30 i got it the second year they were out. i never had a issue with it. i did change the tubes but it was 5 years later lol. i also have the classic 50/410. 6years no issues either.
i aslo own a hotrod deville 4/10. had some caps that went bad and the reverb quit working havent got it fixed. there are know issues with that amp also. just search hotrod problems mods on google. the only thing good about it is the clean channel. the overdrive isnt very good. if i get another fender it will be a deluxe reverb or other higher end fender amp. i had a 70's fender reverb and made the mistake of selling it.

whats highly over looked on the peavey classic's is there are a lot of tubes aval. to swap out to get the tone you want. jj/mesa-electro harm's ruby's sovtech ect.

It's just my experince that none of the fender hotrod amp's sound as good as the peavey classic series. or are a verisitale. keep you eye open for a used one i would bet you would like it a little more. good luck on you amp shopping.

pre amp tubes that work in the peavey classsic
JJ Electronic
T-12AX7-S-JJ

Medium
This tube has a well balanced, colorful tone with strongly defined lows, mids, and smooth highs. It allows for more clean head-room than higher gain 12AX7s. In overdrive, it is smooth and strong with well-defined lows and mids.

JJ Electronic
T-12AX7-GOLD-JJ High Low This Slovakian tube is full bodied and bright with lots of depth and color. It's like the 12AX7-S-JJ on steroids, keeping the definition and adding a lot of bite and brightness. In overdrive, it keeps its well-defined bite and brings out the highs.
JJ Electronic
T-ECC803-JJ
High High This Slovakian tube is full-bodied with a straightforward presentation and emphasis on the highs. It packs some bite with its higher than normal gain. In overdrive, it is not quite as defined as the 12AX7-GOLD, but if offers more crunchy fizz.

Tube Amp Doctor
T-12AX7-PS-TAD
High Medium
This is the ubiquitous Chinese 12AX7 with "premium" selection. The gain is high and the German "Tube Amp Doctor" must be filtering out the noisiest ones.

Ruby
T-12AX7A-C5
High Medium
This is the ubiquitous Chinese 12AX7 with added selection. The gain is high and the American "Ruby Tubes" must be filtering out the noisiest ones.

Groove Tubes
T-12AX7-C-GT
High
This is the ubiquitous Chinese 12AX7 with added selection. The gain is high and the American "Groove Tubes" must be filtering out the noisiest ones, but a few seem to have still gotten through.

T-5751M-GT
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Low

With an amplification factor of 70, this tube is supposed to have much less gain than a standard 12AX7. It has a straightforward, thin and bright sound. In overdrive, it offers a lot of crunchy fizz and mid to high frequency bite.

T-12AX7B-CHINA High High
The Chinese 12AX7B is very similar in tone to its standard Chinese cousin, but the 'B's seem to average in at slightly lower gain and noise

T-12AX7-CHINA High High
This ubiquitous Chinese tube is straightforward and bright. Its high gain gives it some bite too. In overdrive, it brings out the highs and offers easy access to harmonic sustain.

Electro-Harmonix
T-12AX7-EH
High

This Russian tube is full bodied and bright with a more straightforward presentation. It packs a lot of bite with its higher than normal gain. In overdrive, it offers a lot of crunchy fizz.

Sovtek
T-12AX7LPS-SOVT
High Medium
This Russian tube is full bodied and well-balanced. It has a high gain with a very smooth presentation. In overdrive, it is not quite as defined as the 12AX7-S-JJ, but it offers more crunchy fizz.

Sovtek
T-12AX7WA-SOVT
Medium

This Russian tube has strong lows and bright highs. Its lows demand attention when playing full bar chords. In overdrive, it offers a lot of crunchy fizz.

Fender
T-12AX7-FND
Low

This is the Russian Sovtek 12AX7WC. It is very similar sounding to the 12AX7WA but not quite as powerful.

Peavey
T-12AX7-PV

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Medium
Peavey is currently using both T-12AX7-S-JJ and T-12AX7-EH

RCA, GE, Sylvania
T-12AX7-A
Medium
Medium
These are NOS American tubes. They tend to fall right in the middle of the road with a straightforward and well-balanced tone. In overdrive, the RCA was easy on the highs while still offering easy access to harmonic sustain

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