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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:59 am
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Hey,

I know that alot of people has asked it before , but still alot of answers make me doubt: Is my Fender Blues Junior loud enough to be in a band? I know it depends on situations so i will try to explain my demands and hope you guys can give me a definite answer :)

At this moment I only play in my bedroom , my setup is: Epiphone Les Paul standard (older korean one , great guitar) --> Boss TU-2 --> Fender Blues Junior (USA , stock)

The sound I want is an natural overdriven sound , so it doesn't have to be clean at gig volumes , think of the Neil Young electric sound. I know the FBJ is different from a Tweed Deluxe but I can get a sound close enough for me.
My bedroom settings:

Reverb 2
MV 2
Middle 12
Bass 6
Treble 12
Volume 12
Fatt off

It sounds crunchy and bright (Not harsh but bright in a nice way) and when iam in a band i think i would use the same settings except the Master volume.
How loud will i be when the master is on 12 and the other settings the same? I know that on large gigs there is a big chance i will get mic'ed but how would this work without a Mic?

Iam also considering a Cab , would an 2x12 increase the volume? Or just spread the sound more/make it sound bigger.
And what speakers would be the best for the Electric Young Neil rocksound?

Thanks for reading and I really hope you guys can help me!


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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 1:56 pm
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Any 15 W amp is not quite loud enough for anything but small venues but with the volume and master maxed you won't get any clean sound unless you roll back the guitar volume.With the master on full the BJ starts to dirty up at around 5 0r 6 but from there on in there's not a huge volume difference.A 2-12 cab will disperse more sound as it moves more air but there won't be a noticeable volume change but your tone will be a lot fuller. Celestion Vintage 30s are excellent speakers that can deliver real full clean tones but can get super raunchy when overdriven.

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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:11 pm
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Thanks for your reply. As I said i dont even want clean tones , the idea is that i can fully crank the amp up and get natural overdrive and I hoped it would be loud enough (Since alot of people who say it is only for small venues want clean tones i hoped that when i just needed the overdrive i could be way louder)

Is there anyone who ownes an FBJ and gigs with it? And how loud can you be? I cant really imagine because as soon i push it over 2 the neighbours will complain :(


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IMO 15 watts is insufficient for gigging in any situation even with an extension cabinet. 15 watts is barely enough for quiet rehersals or informal jams. 25 - 30 watts is a typical starting point for small venues at low volumes. It goes up from there. As far as your BJ settings go they will be useless in a gigging situation even if you mic the amp. 2 on the master won't even allow you to hear your own amp. By the time you crank the master up to 8 or 10 the tone will be much different from what you hear now.

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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:01 pm
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IMO 15 watts is insufficient for gigging in any situation even with an extension cabinet. 15 watts is barely enough for quiet rehersals or informal jams. 25 - 30 watts is a typical starting point for small venues at low volumes. It goes up from there. As far as your BJ settings go they will be useless in a gigging situation even if you mic the amp. 2 on the master won't even allow you to hear your own amp. By the time you crank the master up to 8 or 10 the tone will be much different from what you hear now.


+1, amen, over and out.

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IMO 15 watts is insufficient for gigging in any situation even with an extension cabinet. 15 watts is barely enough for quiet rehersals or informal jams. 25 - 30 watts is a typical starting point for small venues at low volumes. It goes up from there. As far as your BJ settings go they will be useless in a gigging situation even if you mic the amp. 2 on the master won't even allow you to hear your own amp. By the time you crank the master up to 8 or 10 the tone will be much different from what you hear now.


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Rofender, Welcome to the forum ! Yeah, I'll have to agree with the guys on this one. Even if you could mic and monitor that amp at stage level, it's not the amp to ask to operate wide open for any length of time, day-in and day-out. For home practice and mic'd at band practice, it should be fine. For gigging, IMO you'd want something more substantial. One that doesn't have to work so hard on the band stand. Art

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BMW-KTM wrote:
IMO 15 watts is insufficient for gigging in any situation even with an extension cabinet. 15 watts is barely enough for quiet rehersals or informal jams. 25 - 30 watts is a typical starting point for small venues at low volumes. It goes up from there. As far as your BJ settings go they will be useless in a gigging situation even if you mic the amp. 2 on the master won't even allow you to hear your own amp. By the time you crank the master up to 8 or 10 the tone will be much different from what you hear now.


2 is just the volume I use at home. So you think that even with both volume and master volume on 12 I wouldn't be loud enough for gigs? Damn I guess I will have to look for a new amp then :(


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rofender wrote:
BMW-KTM wrote:
IMO 15 watts is insufficient for gigging in any situation even with an extension cabinet. 15 watts is barely enough for quiet rehersals or informal jams. 25 - 30 watts is a typical starting point for small venues at low volumes. It goes up from there. As far as your BJ settings go they will be useless in a gigging situation even if you mic the amp. 2 on the master won't even allow you to hear your own amp. By the time you crank the master up to 8 or 10 the tone will be much different from what you hear now.


2 is just the volume I use at home. So you think that even with both volume and master volume on 12 I wouldn't be loud enough for gigs? Damn I guess I will have to look for a new amp then :(
I agree,unless you play at coffeehouse size venues with a really quiet band,something bigger is in order.I would check out the Deluxe Reverb and see if that works for you.


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budglo wrote:
rofender wrote:
BMW-KTM wrote:
IMO 15 watts is insufficient for gigging in any situation even with an extension cabinet. 15 watts is barely enough for quiet rehersals or informal jams. 25 - 30 watts is a typical starting point for small venues at low volumes. It goes up from there. As far as your BJ settings go they will be useless in a gigging situation even if you mic the amp. 2 on the master won't even allow you to hear your own amp. By the time you crank the master up to 8 or 10 the tone will be much different from what you hear now.


2 is just the volume I use at home. So you think that even with both volume and master volume on 12 I wouldn't be loud enough for gigs? Damn I guess I will have to look for a new amp then :(
I agree,unless you play at coffeehouse size venues with a really quiet band,something bigger is in order.I would check out the Deluxe Reverb and see if that works for you.


Deluxe Reverb would be to expensive I think.
My budget is literally the Fender Blues Junior , so that would be trade or like 400$
Got any ideas? Probably second hand


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Howdy and welcome,
I gig with a 20 watter on a regular basis and it's just fine. Sometimes I just run two 112 cabs.We get asked to turn it down quite a bit. If you can't afford a DRRI, I'd start looking for used amps. Used DRRI's are still out of your price range.

Your choices are save more money, (That's what I'd do) go with a used Hot Rod amp, not recommended by me anyway, or look outside the Fender camp. Used Peavey Classic 30's are nice gigging amps. You can always just mic the amp too. I hate doing that with low wattage amps unless you have a really nice PA system. You'll still have a problem with hearing yourself on stage and getting over the drummer and it sometimes makes the mix sound awful.

It all boils down to your band. I'm the odd man out on this one. I've done informal jams with a 6 watt SF Champ. It depends on who you play with and the type of music, you play and how efficient your rig is, the size of your room etc.

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63supro wrote:
Howdy and welcome,
I gig with a 20 watter on a regular basis and it's just fine. Sometimes I just run two 112 cabs.We get asked to turn it down quite a bit. If you can't afford a DRRI, I'd start looking for used amps. Used DRRI's are still out of your price range.

Your choices are save more money, (That's what I'd do) go with a used Hot Rod amp, not recommended by me anyway, or look outside the Fender camp. Used Peavey Classic 30's are nice gigging amps. You can always just mic the amp too. I hate doing that with low wattage amps unless you have a really nice PA system. You'll still have a problem with hearing yourself on stage and getting over the drummer and it sometimes makes the mix sound awful.

It all boils down to your band. I'm the odd man out on this one. I've done informal jams with a 6 watt SF Champ. It depends on who you play with and the type of music, you play and how efficient your rig is, the size of your room etc.


Hey,

Well Iam doubting again , I just turned it on in my bedroom and trust me with volume 12 en master on 2 it is quite loud , neighbours can hear me (Even 2 houses away or in the garden) while i close the window and door.
When i turn the MV up to like 4 with vol still on 12 it starts to shake and gets quite loud. My room is not big but when i tried i stood on the other side of the room and its loud (I dont even dare to strum chords i just play muted strings otherwise its tearing my ears).

Ofcourse this is not comparable to a band situation and i dont rehearse with drummers so i cant really estimate how much volume i need. Is there anyone who has actually played a Fender Blues Junior with both master and volume very loud and could tell me what his experience is? I really need it to distort not clean or edgy but really overdriven and feedbacking like Neil Young , if i buy an louder amp i probably wont be able to crank it without being to loud (Like a hotrod , i heard most people cant turn it above 3).

I love the sound so much and iam scared that if i will buy the peavey i would be dissapointed with the sound since iam hooked on the BJ.

BTW iam quite sure that at bigger venues the Blues Junior would be fine when miced, Noel Gallagher from Oasis used it in Stadium gigs.

Pfff I should really get a rehearsal room and a drummer , where are they when you need them? :)


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That's it right there. I wouldn't buy or sell anything until you try it in a band situation. The band I play with sometimes has rehearses in a small apartment. The neighbors are very tolerant. We all use small amps and the drummer uses bundle sticks to cut the volume down a bit. I use a 74 Fender Champ Amp. It all sounds great. We actually play small coffee houses the same way. But there again we're a Blues band not a rock band.

Why don't you try it out at an open mic night or an open jam that has a hosting band where they'll sit in with you. Just be sure you can bring your own amp. Some frown on it because of setup time, some musicians won't let you even look at their amps. At least where I live.

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The Peavey Classics are decent amps. I can't see it being a step backwards. YMMV.

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63supro wrote:
Howdy and welcome,
I gig with a 20 watter on a regular basis and it's just fine. Sometimes I just run two 112 cabs.We get asked to turn it down quite a bit. If you can't afford a DRRI, I'd start looking for used amps. Used DRRI's are still out of your price range.

Your choices are save more money, (That's what I'd do) go with a used Hot Rod amp, not recommended by me anyway, or look outside the Fender camp. Used Peavey Classic 30's are nice gigging amps. You can always just mic the amp too. I hate doing that with low wattage amps unless you have a really nice PA system. You'll still have a problem with hearing yourself on stage and getting over the drummer and it sometimes makes the mix sound awful.

It all boils down to your band. I'm the odd man out on this one. I've done informal jams with a 6 watt SF Champ. It depends on who you play with and the type of music, you play and how efficient your rig is, the size of your room etc.


Hey,

Well Iam doubting again , I just turned it on in my bedroom and trust me with volume 12 en master on 2 it is quite loud , neighbours can hear me (Even 2 houses away or in the garden) while i close the window and door.
When i turn the MV up to like 4 with vol still on 12 it starts to shake and gets quite loud. My room is not big but when i tried i stood on the other side of the room and its loud (I dont even dare to strum chords i just play muted strings otherwise its tearing my ears).

Ofcourse this is not comparable to a band situation and i dont rehearse with drummers so i cant really estimate how much volume i need. Is there anyone who has actually played a Fender Blues Junior with both master and volume very loud and could tell me what his experience is? I really need it to distort not clean or edgy but really overdriven and feedbacking like Neil Young , if i buy an louder amp i probably wont be able to crank it without being to loud (Like a hotrod , i heard most people cant turn it above 3).

I love the sound so much and iam scared that if i will buy the peavey i would be dissapointed with the sound since iam hooked on the BJ.

BTW iam quite sure that at bigger venues the Blues Junior would be fine when miced, Noel Gallagher from Oasis used it in Stadium gigs.

Pfff I should really get a rehearsal room and a drummer , where are they when you need them? :)


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