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Post subject: Blues deville to any one with experience
Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:23 am
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I have done some tweaking rebiasing and trying three or four
different pre amp tube arrangements 12at 12ay 12ax in different
orders and with a different phase inverter
but no matter what I do chords sound muddy every amp setting
i can think of is this just a mud bucket amp
ideas or suggestions are gladly welcomed

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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 5:13 am
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Hi,

I've got a question:

Did the original setting fit with your sound expectation?

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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:33 am
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There is insufficient information to answer this question.

Was the amp in stock condition before you began your experiments?
Have you tried returning it to stock configuration?
How exactly did you go about accomplishing the various bias adjustments?
Did you try different power tubes or just preamp tubes?
What power tubes are in it now and how many hours are on them?
The tubes you are trying... are they new, NOS or used?
Which speakers are in the amp and what condition are they in?
What effects pedals are you using?
What guitar(s) are you using?

Define "mud-bucket".

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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 9:11 am
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I went through almost the same thing except I used
12at, 5751, 12ax :)
Sound change slightly but nothing great.

Sounding muddy, I'd be thinking the power tubes may need changing, and doing a correct biasing .

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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:41 pm
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the stratocasters mainly

by mud I mean when I strum a chord it is all mush there is no seperation of notes almost like a bad solid state distortion on the
clean channel with low gain pre amp tubes I have 2 months on all tubes
they are all JJ tubes the stock sound was similar to now just louder
mud my real question is in everyone's experience is the blues deville
a muddy sounding amp when used for strumming chords

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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:47 pm
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clem160 wrote:
the stratocasters mainly

by mud I mean when I strum a chord it is all mush there is no seperation of notes almost like a bad solid state distortion on the
clean channel with low gain pre amp tubes I have 2 months on all tubes
they are all JJ tubes the stock sound was similar to now just louder
mud my real question is in everyone's experience is the blues deville
a muddy sounding amp when used for strumming chords


I've never gotten a what I would call a clean or jangly tone out of any of the Blues Series Amps. They sounded like a towel was over the speaker. On the other hand, my HRDlx was like an icepick in the forehead. I bought the HRDlx because I thought I could tame it which I did. I tried the Blues DeVille, Blues Deluxe and Jr. and settled for what I thought was the evil of three lessors. My main gigging am for over 30 years was a SF Twin. That was a clean and "sparkly" amp. So I thought that was the reason why I didn't like the Blues Series amps. There may be a tone stack mod around for your amp. JJ's made my HRDlx sound warmer and slightly darker. But I liked that.

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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 5:08 pm
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What's the vol level on your guitar when you're playing these chords? Are you playing on the clean channel? Have you tried adjusting the tone on the amp? maybe less bass.. I had a Blues Deluxe and don't remember it being muddy unless it was getting loud and dirty.


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Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:08 am
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I had an original 1993 tweed Blues deville that I thought was a great sounding amp, however that one left the stable a long time ago.

I don't remember the mud bucket sound.

Mine had the blue alnicos in it.

My 59 bassman ltd I'm playing now had pretty bad low end definition untill i got rid of those horrid "jensen" RI speakers.

The swap of four new webers made a HUGE !!! Difference.

Try the new Tung-Sol 12AX7 RI pre tubes, I'm loving them in my bassman.

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Post subject: Re: Blues deville to any one with experience
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:42 pm
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I'm having a similar problem with my Tan/Oxblood 4x10 DeVille. Right now I'm using a Boss EQ pedal to add some definition to the chords but eventually i'll have to take a look at it's guts.


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Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:11 pm
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I got a '94 Deluxe, and if I go up in volume I back the amps bass around 3-4. But I do desperately need to replace the speaker.

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Post subject: Re: Blues deville to any one with experience
Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:36 pm
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My fix on my Blues Deluxe was to rip out all the guts and make a turret board Tweed Pro. No regrets. Haven't had to take the back off the amp since and it sounds alot better than it did when it was a BDx. Maybe a turret board bassman is in order?

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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:44 am
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cedarblues wrote:
What's the level on your guitar lessons when you're playing these chords? Are you playing on the clean channel? Have you tried adjusting the tone on the amp? maybe less bass.. I had a Blues Deluxe and don't remember it being muddy unless it was getting loud and dirty.

I would have to agree. I also had a Blues Deluxe, man do I regret losing it, and I never had issues with it being muddy if I don't turn the volume up and play like crazy.


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