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Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:17 am
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All of us are Fender fans or we wouldn't be on this site. However Fender doesn't always offer the best solution at every pricepoint. While I love Fender blackface amps I'm also a fan of the Peavey Classic 30 and 50. Against the Hot Rod series in my book they win hands down. U.S. made and killer tone. Also don't let anyone tell you that Peavey amps are for those who can't afford a Fender. I've seen them on stage with some of the biggest names in the business. I saw Buddy Guy in February and the other guitarist on stage was using a Peavey Classic 50. I haven't played thru an Egnater yet but I love what I've heard with those amps as well. Bottom line look at several options in your price range.


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Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:39 am
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The best thing for you to do is try all the amps mentioned but keep in mind that the more you work on your actual playing, the less it will matter what amp you use.

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Jeff Beck played last night at Madison Square Garden...through a Pro Jr. On 4.
It was unreal. He had two, and they mic'd one. They were up on a Marshall cab. The Marshalls weren't being used. He played with an orchestra too. Amazing.

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Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:31 am
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Beck said he recorded most of his new CD Emotion & Commotion with an old Tweed Champ. I wouldn't get too excited about Beck using a Pro Jr. He has a serious effects setup and can make a Pignose sound incredible. There are a lot of frequency and dynamics involved in playing with an orchestra. Beck explains it all in his last Guitar Player Mag interview. According to Beck, you don't need a lot of wattage to get over an orchestra. Try getting over in a regular band situation with a Pro Jr and you may have a little trouble unless you mic it. I'v done gigs with a 6 watt SF Champ through a 2x10 cab mic'd.

The Pro Jr. is probably the most reliable amp in the HRD series because of it's simplicity. To me, it's also the boxiest sounding too. Put it through a larger cab and it really sings.

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Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:36 am
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Wow, any credit for the player?

I'm not getting excited about Jeff using the PJ I'm just pointing out that a great player using what many would regard as a lesser amp, can sound better than a lesser player using what many may call a great amp.


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I did say Beck can make a Pignose sound incredible. He makes a GDec sound great too. Satisfied? What I'm eluding to is It IS the player not just the Pro Jr. that makes him sound great.

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You actually said his effects would make a pignose sound incredible,

Satisfied?


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Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:55 am
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No457 Snowy wrote:
You actually said his effects would make a pignose sound incredible,

Satisfied?


Guess it depends on you interpretation. LOL

For the record, I'm a huge Beck fan. :wink:

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Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:58 am
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I'm a huge fan as well, I guess my point is that he could be using any amp up there, but he often has 2 PJ's, one mic'd and the other as a spare (because he knows it's a Hot Rod series amp. :wink: )


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For the record I can't stand Beck :D

Ok, so was he or wasn't he using effects with the PJ?

I also gigged with the PJ in a medium size bar, it couldn't keep up and eventually died after playing thru it at 10 all nite, my buddy had it for years, so not sure what happened to it... then came the BJ, it did a better job til the band got louder, specially drums. At one gig we had both the DRRI and BJ, it was fine at the beginning of the nite but as things got louder after a few drinks, you couldn't hear the BJ anymore, no mic'ing involved, while the DRRI sounded big and even sweeter at 9-10.


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My HRDlx and any one I've ever used had a problem cutting a mix unless the other guitarist was using one too. I think it's the stock speaker that's the problem. My Egnater's been cutting fine even with 50-75 watt amps. My friends 18 watt Marshall combo cuts the same way.

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I found that over the years as I progressed into more professional bands that stage volume is much lower and encouraged even at large Festival gigs, and excessively loud drummers are shown the door very quickly in favour of more dynamic players.

That simple lowering of volume can make a big difference in tightening a band, once it becomes a competition for sonic space and volume on stage, it's a lost cause.

The basic fact is, the more work you put into your own playing the less it will matter what amp you use. Use what YOU like and don't let others tell you what is good or bad.

One thing I have learn't was told to me over and over when I have played and talked with some VERY good players, and that is that we guitarists by nature always manage to get caught in the "gear trap" when the real answer to most of the things we are chasing is in hard work and our playing.

Try all the amps mentioned and grab the one you like, for the reasons YOU like it.

Anyway, nice talking with you guys, but I think forum posting isn't one of my strong suits.


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Some amps have a problem cutting a mix no matter what the stage volume is. Our stage volume is always on the lower end of the spectrum. It depends on the size of the stage. You do need to hear yourself. There needs to be a serious balance between players. But some amps just plain don't cut a mix. My HRDlx was one of them. I'm sure a more efficient speaker would help because the amp has plenty of volume. Seems like something with the frequency is missing. My Egnater doesn't need to be real loud to be heard. Deluxe Reverb amps cut a mix extremely well at half the wattage of a HRDlx.

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Hey Supro, do you have any experience with the Delta Blues 115? Found a used one on CL that I'd like to check out... I haven't played thru one yet, thought maybe with the 15" I'd get more tight bass..

Sorry if this seems off topic, figured it might be the right place to talk about it since we're already talking about Peavey :)

To the OP, did you decide on an amp yet??


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I borrowed one for a gig a couple of times. I liked it. The bass isn't really tighter, it's bigger, but not really what I'd call tighter. Very cool amp. You would need to try one out and see haw it fits your needs.

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Thanks! gonna go check it out in a couple days... I was really hoping for tighter bass, I guess I'll find out if I like it or not soon.


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