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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:04 am
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It's just more of the same old same. I'm sure they'll sell a billion of them. I didn't care for the original. And yes I did try the original and rented it for a couple of gigs to give it a fair chance. Just okay and for the new one, the short cuts have already been taken instead of doing something completely new, they based it on the DR platform. It will be interesting to see if the tube sockets will be mounted to the chassis or the board. Kind of like Dr meets HRDlx. The good thing is at least they didn't hybrid it or dump a bunch of cheesy effects in it. I'll try one as soon as I see one but I'm not getting my hopes up.

In comparison, ripping a new product is no worse than thinking it's the second coming right? If I want a Dual Cascading-Gain Preamp Overdrive I probably go with a Mesa or something else.

Hopefully the construction will be up to snuff. Maybe chassis mounted tube sockets and a Birch cabinet would be a good start. But at that price point, it's sort of up in the air I guess.

Anyone looking for an amp that a sizable investment, if you're tight with a Mom and Pop shop, they may lend or rent you the floor model. You'll never know what a new piece of gear sounds like unless you gig with it.
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:33 am
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blues bondsman wrote:
Wow !! you guys finished ripping on this brand new item I'm sure none of you has tried? ...Why is it that every time Fender introduces something new there is a group ready to announce to the world why its bad way before they ever plug in ?!


Because based on the past track record, we know what's inside of them. And with a fair country average, we can predict with amazing accuracy what will fail in this design, and why.

In any case I'm not into particle-board cabinets, bio-degradeable Tolex, velcro-attached grills, lowest-bid OEM speakers, and components that wouldn't pass my muster for a high-school science fair project.

But you go ahead. They'll be plenty available for you since I won't be buying one.

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Sure glad I don't live in your world my friend !
I'm 44 and deal with prisoners every day and I have much more optimism.

I'm willing to bet its going to be a great Rock n Roll amp.

Nice stray cats sound or even when pressed a bit of ZZ Top

in a nice light package too.

Hey I'm glad I sold all of my botique stuff and went back to Fender Amps, it has given some real fun tweeking out some tone from a stocker.

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Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:14 pm
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If this is the stuff you call "boutique" then so be it......

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We'll just have to agree to a difference of opinion because, aside from me rearranging some of the "furniture", they're all pretty much stock Fender amps. And three of them are older than you. Nevertheless, I'd have no qualms about diming one of these for three or four hours a night under professional conditions (and often have).

Vintage Fenders are the original boutique amps!

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blues bondsman wrote:
Sure glad I don't live in your world my friend !
I'm 44 and deal with prisoners every day and I have much more optimism.

I'm willing to bet its going to be a great Rock n Roll amp.

Nice stray cats sound or even when pressed a bit of ZZ Top

in a nice light package too.

Hey I'm glad I sold all of my botique stuff and went back to Fender Amps, it has given some real fun tweeking out some tone from a stocker.


I bet it will sound like a DRRI only with all the beautiful tone sucked out of it.
Can't wait to try one out. :D What's with the Eminence Lightning Bolt speaker. Can't find any info on it. I hope it's not the Legend they shove in the HRD series re-labeled. I'm usually an optimist but the HRD series did a bad thing to me, the VM Band Master I tried at GC was not only a disappointment, but the Velcro'd on grill fell off and the sales guy gave me some grief about it. I felt like smacking him over the head with it.

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blues bondsman wrote:
Sure glad I don't live in your world my friend !
I'm 44 and deal with prisoners every day and I have much more optimism.

I'm willing to bet its going to be a great Rock n Roll amp.

Nice stray cats sound or even when pressed a bit of ZZ Top

in a nice light package too.

Hey I'm glad I sold all of my botique stuff and went back to Fender Amps, it has given some real fun tweeking out some tone from a stocker.


Hey B.B. Have you tried one out? I think your right, that it would sound great. I have to travel at least two hours to get the 1st available GC... and usually they don't have any of the new gear. I have played the "old" super sonic, but it was just not what I was looking for... Im always excited to try new stuff, so I'll keep a look out for it

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the VM Band Master I tried at GC was not only a disappointment, but the Velcro'd on grill fell off and the sales guy gave me some grief about it. I felt like smacking him over the head with it.


LMFAO!!!

The same thing happened to me, Supro. It reminded me of a scene right out of a Chevy Chase or Bill Murray movie!

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Whoa there Hoss !!! Let's not pass judgement untill the the goods are on the table and spread out ! Rumor has it that, Fender increased the mass of the circuit boards. Hard to say what else might have changed. Let's give a listen!!! Art

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I have a Fender dealer just down from my office (lucky me) and I'll get in there in the next few days to see if they have one yet.

I don't need a new toy right now and at 999.00 plus tax, I'll wait till someone on e-bay decides its not for them and get one on the cheap.

I'm a scrounger, thats how I am able to collect so many toys.

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blues bondsman wrote:
Wow !! you guys finished ripping on this brand new item I'm sure none of you has tried ?

I had the original Super-Sonic combo (blonde) and for what it was , it sounded great !

I thought Fender did a great job giving the high gain peeps a shot, I found settings that were more than acceptable.

Now for me the tweed sound is what I like too, however there are many flavors and many tastes, My bet is that the gain structure in a 22 watt combo with most likely a vintage 30 is gonna make a lot of rockers pretty happy.

Why is it that every time Fender introduces something new there is a group ready to announce to the world why its bad way before they ever plug in ?

I'm looking forward to hearing from someone who has played through one, That will be fun !


+1, try it out first, fellows


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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:18 am
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blues bondsman wrote:
I'm a scrounger, thats how I am able to collect so many toys.


Me too. And what I can't scrounge, I build myself......

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This 40-watt 2 x 12 rig only cost me about $725 to put together and with my channel-switching effects board delivers real blackface tones without any of the gimmicks. There are few things that sound better than a 47-year old Fender amp with point-to-point wiring, alnico speakers, and all-pine cabinet construction.

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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:20 am
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Wait, Arjay, are you trying to tell me you bought that whole vintage Bandmaster for $26 more than a new Bandmaster VM head??? I bet you don't have the Velcro on the grill though. LOL I had a 73 SF Bandmaster with the huge 2x12 that I sorely miss. That was a terrific amp. It was a bear getting the cab in and out of my 75 Chevy Vega Hatchback. That's the only reason I sold it. I was just a 20 year old kid at the time and didn't know any better.

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I paid five bills for the amp head on Ebay. I built the Showman-sized speaker cab from a kit for a skosh under two hundred bucks. The speakers are "recycles" from an old Twin Reverb. The amp was playable when delivered though during inspection prior to firing it up I noticed the bias cap looked a little wonky (filter caps were new). So I changed that out and biased the output stage for 33 mA. Also, the markings on the tube in position V1 were unreadable. So as a precaution I swapped it out for an NOS GE 7025. I've played four gigs with it thus far with no problems observed. I should note that I did purchase a custom cover set for the rig which ran an additional $94 or thereabouts.

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Hmm, my foot is in both camps.
Why be excited about an amp that's just more of the same? If you like one or both of the models, why not just buy the originals? Does Fender think that just because it has two models in one amp, it can charge about a grand...and for just 22 watts???
At the same time, I do own the original Supersonic. :lol: I like the fact that the cleans are like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, which works well for what I need it for. I also think it's worth what I paid, cuz it's all the tones I love in one amp, and powerful enough for any venue. So the new one might be the same for someone else... minus the low wattage. Guess I'll have to try it out for a def opinion

Arjay, I'm sure you hear this all the time. Your family looks gorgeous :)


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I receive an occasional compliment or two.

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