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Post subject: Hot-Rod Deville 212 and THD Hotplate help needed!!!
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 12:46 pm
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hi, all, this is my first posting on here so please be gentle and please do excuse me if this has been asked before hahahaha

I have a couple of questions really and ANY help (especially regarding the hotplate) would be MUCH appreciated!

couple of months ago I bought a hot rod deville 212 combo and absolutely love it, I have however decided to get a hotplate so that I can see what it's really capable of as I havent been able to turn the volume above 2 1/2 and feel I'm missing out on what this amp can offer

after TONNES of reading and searching and emails and all sorts I'm still at a loss as to which hotplate I should get for this amp, many people I have asked have all given me different answers, thd said 4ohm, fender said 8 ohm and several shops and online stores are giving me those answers too so I guess what I'm wondering is, does anybody on here use a thd hotplate with their hot rod deville 2x12 and which one is it you are using?! I just need a definate answer and want to feel confident that my money on a hotplate is going to be the right one!!!

secondly, just out of curiosity can anyone help decipher the serial number on my amp and point me in the right direction as to when/where it was made as any information I have seen seems to conflict with the serial number I have

the serial number is as follows B-329481

many thanks in advance


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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:20 pm
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Hippie,
I cannot help you with the first question but if you're amp says made in usa it is likely the original issue if made in mexico I think it may be a Reissue.
I could be wrong.


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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:34 pm
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hi, just checked and it does say made in mexico, I can seem to find anywhere though where the number of letters and numbers match the serial number I have :?

still getting majorly frustrated about not finding info on the hot plate, cant seem to find any hot rod deville owners anywhere that uses one yet many people say they do, just not which one :?


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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:21 pm
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The amp could be a reissue.

As far as the Hotplate goes, if my memory is correct, the reason for using this is to play the amp using level settings which are loud (without hotplate) to achieve the tone without the volume.

IMHO, it seems that one can get the tone by simply attenuating guitar level but then, there is a reason the hot plate exists so I may be missing something somewhere.

Also, if you can find those people who do have a THD in their amp you might hunt them down and follow-up via private message.
Sometimes that happens. Somebody with X information will show up in a logical forum but actually hang out in another forum on a regular basis.
The people you referred to may be doing this exact thing and thus, by not popping in on this forum, they don't see this thread (or others you may have posted).
Hope this advice helps.
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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 3:54 pm
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I think the reason your getting two different answers is due to confusion between the Deville 212 & Deville 410.According to the manual found here:

http://admin.fender.com/support/electronic_products.php

the 212 operates at 2 or 4 ohms,looks like it should be 4 ohms for the internal speakers alone.


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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:35 pm
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thankyou so far for your thoughts, may I just corrent you slightly though?!

it's not that I was confusing the 212 and the 410 it doesnt help that for the 212 the website it says that it gives 60 watts into 2 or 4 ohms (Switchable) yet in the manual I have that came with my amp it says 60 watts into 8 or 4 ohms

major confusion!!!!


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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:18 pm
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I didn't mean YOU were confusing the two,I meant the people you asked possibly were.If you go to the link I posted the manual shows that the 410 runs 8 ohms internal,8 ohms internal + 8 ohms external, or empty plug + 4 ohms external...while the 212 runs 4 ohms internal,4 ohms internal + 4 ohms external,or empty plug + 2 ohms external.


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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:18 pm
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Hi Hippiedan,

Im comin' in a little late on this... Check out tedweber.com I believe their attenuators have switchable impedance on them. I use the "Mini Mass' for my Hot Rod Deluxe and am very happy with it. I also belive that the Weber will save you some change as well. Good Luck

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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 12:40 pm
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bill948 wrote:
Hi Hippiedan,

Im comin' in a little late on this... Check out tedweber.com I believe their attenuators have switchable impedance on them. I use the "Mini Mass' for my Hot Rod Deluxe and am very happy with it. I also belive that the Weber will save you some change as well. Good Luck

Bill


thankyou for your help and comments, problem is that I have already bought the hotplate (as it was the recommended one) and run up against these issues when I was looking on the interweb as to how to connect it all properly as the instructions arent OVERLY helpful, I'm just after finding out what output my amp is giving as the website says one thing and the booklet says another, does anyone know how I could find a definitive answer or even better, does anyone actually use a hot plate (and if so which one) with their hot rod deville 212

sorry if it seems I'm being awkward, hope you can all understand that I dont want to damage my amp if it's all wrong


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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:13 pm
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Hi Dan,
Well wish I could help you more... It does look as if the amp should be 4 ohms, is that what your "Hot Plate" is? Is the amp a new one? Im sure if you check back on this, one of the experts will chime in and help.

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Post subject: Re: Hot-Rod Deville 212 and THD Hotplate help needed!!!
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:06 am
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hippiedan wrote:
I have a couple of questions really and ANY help (especially regarding the hotplate) would be MUCH appreciated!

so I guess what I'm wondering is, does anybody on here use a thd hotplate with their hot rod deville 2x12 and which one is it you are using?! I just need a definate answer and want to feel confident that my money on a hotplate is going to be the right one!!!

secondly, just out of curiosity can anyone help decipher the serial number....many thanks in advance


I know that the manual shows that the Hot Rod Deville can drive a 2, 4 or 8 ohm speaker load. Look in the manual under "V. Main Speaker". If you have a 2x12, then you have a 4 ohm speaker load. I don't know if the hotplate has to be matched to the speaker load or not, I have not used one. Definitely check your hotplate specs to see what kind of speaker load can be used with it. The amp can definitely handle a load from 2 to 8 ohms just fine.

As far as the serial number, check the Fender website and call them, they have always been very helpful to me. :)


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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:00 am
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Hi. The Dr. Z air Brake and Brake Lite are excellent attenuators and also have the benefit of being impedance-agnostic - they take whatever impedance they're given vs. the specific color versions of the THD Hotplate.

If you can't return the hotplate and want to use it, have you tried calling THD? Since they make it, they would be the most help.

twinhit - the reason people (including myself) use attenuators is that while you can play with the level settings, turning down the master volume means you're not getting the benefit of power tube interaction. Also, on many non-master volume amps, you don't have this option. I have a Brake Lite on my Bandmaster combo, and it makes it usable for smaller gigs vs. blasting people in the front, and yes, there is a tonal difference between using the attenuator vs. turning down. I also have a Dr. Z Mini Z 5 watt EL84 that only has volume and attenuator knobs - the difference makes the case for the attenuator hands down.

hippieDan - In the future, I would suggest that you ask for recommendations and do the research before just buying what could be the wrong item. It's kind of annoying to see a thread asking for help on picking the right one and then find out you've already bought one the same day or next without knowing if it's the right one.

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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:27 pm
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Can't see what the confusion is all about. The Deville 2X12 is looking for a 4ohm load at the main speaker jack(V). The THD 4ohm(red) unit would be inserted here, and then to the internal speakers. Am I missing part of the story? Art

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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:32 pm
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Not sure if you know this but, when you connect the attenuator between your amp and the speakers, make sure to use Speaker cables, NOT instrument cables. The centre wire in an instrument cable is not designed for this type of load and will most likely fry, closely followed by your Output Transformer.

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