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Post subject: Cyber Twin SE Going the way of the Dinosaur?
Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 5:33 am
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This question is directed to Brad Traweek, or anyone else at Fender who knows the answer:

IS the Cyber Twin SE about to be dropped from the catalog and discontinued?

I'll explain where this question is coming from. Yesterday, I visited a music store that I hadn't been to in a long time. They claim to be a Fender dealer now, and had a couple of Cyber amps on display. A Deluxe 900 model, and a single 12" Cyber Amp combo model, which I looked over. When I saw that there were no preamp tubes, I told the clerk that I wouldn't buy that amp, that I'd prefer the Cyber Twin SE, because I'm not prepared to give up the tubes, in my guitar tone. That's when he told me he didn't think he could get them anymore because they are being discontinued!!!

That is the worst thing that could happen to that amp. Fender finally delivered the guitar amp that could do it all, in one neat and compact package, and now they are going to let it go the way of the Dinosaur? I hope this is nothing more than scuttlebutt, but still, I have to ask the question.

BTW, I can't find either of the two amps I mentioned above in the catalog.

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Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 11:15 am
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They better not discontinue the CyberTwin... The Cyber Twin SE has been out long enough... That it's time for an upgrade... It's time for a third generation Cyber Twin... Either that or let us know so we can stock up...


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Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 3:11 pm
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I don't know about it needing an upgrade, it seems to have everything you'd need for live gigs already in it. If anything, maybe a power attenuation switch to drop it to 40 watts for smaller venues, or something like that, but the amp itself lives up to the name it bears.
I agree with you Jake, it should be a permanent member of the Twin family.

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Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 5:31 pm
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greatest guitar amp ever made, least understood, mostly undiscovered. like the strat, it needs its Jimi Hendrix.

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Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 5:30 am
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johnny stecchino wrote:
greatest guitar amp ever made, least understood, mostly undiscovered. like the strat, it needs its Jimi Hendrix.

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I'm not sure if it's so much that it needs its Jimi Hendrix as much as people need to not be so afraid of the word 'programmable'.
I believe that's what scares more guitar players than anything because they listen to the nightmare stories of the old MIDI programmable guitar systems, that went down in the middle of a show, and left guitar players high and dry.
This is what separates the Cyber Twin from all that gear,(which I still own and use a ton of). The CT is self contained, and matched up within itself, so there is nothing to worry about as far as weak links in the signal chain. As for the user interface, it's as simple to dial in a great tone with the CT as it is with one of my old vintage tube Twins.
If guitar players could get past the stories of what used to be, the Cyber Twin would probably be enjoying a reputation equal to it's ancestor who's name it bears.

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Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 9:46 am
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I'm not sure about that Fender dealer you visited knowing much about their product line. If he was still trying to sell the Cyber Deluxe as a new model to you. I have one and it is a great amp but they were discontinued at least 3 or 4 years ago. You are correct that unlike the CT it does not use a preamp tube. Still a great amp though. I still see the Cyber Twin SE on all the major music store websites like GC, MF, SA etc. I think it will still be around.


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Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 10:09 am
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l88vette wrote:
I'm not sure about that Fender dealer you visited knowing much about their product line. If he was still trying to sell the Cyber Deluxe as a new model to you. I have one and it is a great amp but they were discontinued at least 3 or 4 years ago. You are correct that unlike the CT it does not use a preamp tube. Still a great amp though. I still see the Cyber Twin SE on all the major music store websites like GC, MF, SA etc. I think it will still be around.


I'm not sure that it was a Cyber Deluxe, there were two Cyber-type amps there and a half dozen other models. The one I'm referring to here he claimed was a 120 Watt version, with a single 12" Celestion. It has the Digital display screen on the front panel to the far right, and just to the left of that screen, I'm pretty sure it read "Cyber-Amp"

The Deluxe I mentioned was a smaller combo which he claimed was 60 Watts, and it didn't have the Digital Screen anywhere on it, but it was programmable and had some kind of badge in the upper right-hand corner of the grille cloth, with "900" on it, and "Deluxe" above that on the right hand side of the control panel.

Both amps are solid state, and both going for around the same price ($600-$700).

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Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 1:34 pm
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I'm not familiar with the model you mentioned and I apologize for getting off topic. My Cyber Deluxe has no badge on the grill cloth, has the script "Cyber Deluxe" like the CT on the left side of the faceplate. It has a data wheel and small screen like the CT but uses numerals only in the screen. Mine might be an older version. It has a 12" Celestion and is 65W. I bought it a couple of years ago used but excellent for $375. I know what you mean about people not wanting to"program" an amp. The guy I bought it from told me it was just too confusing. I've found that with a little effort you can get some amazing tone from it. I do hope that at least the Cyber Twin continues. They are great amps.


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Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 3:25 pm
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No apologies necessary. I may have stated it in a confusing way with my first post.
The larger amp sounds like the one you describe with the data screen to the far right, but I never got as far as to turn it on to see it's display. I stopped looking at it when I saw it was all solid state.
It sounds like you got an excellent buy with your amp, and the truth be told, it's not really something you have to sit and"program" your tone into. You just dial it in like any amp, and save it when you like it.
The smaller Deluxe model I mentioned didn't have any kind of data screen at all.
I hope Brad Traweek sees this thread and maybe can shed some light on this topic for us

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Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 8:49 pm
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HarleyHexxe wrote:
If guitar players could get past the stories of what used to be, the Cyber Twin would probably be enjoying a reputation equal to it's ancestor who's name it bears.


You know, honestly, maybe it's a good thing that players for the most part demand guitars and amps be built like they used to be during the golden years of guitar manufacturing.

What I really hope might happen someday is that a major shift happens and electric guitar manufacturing returns 75 percent back to the way it used to be.

(No disrespect meant to anyone here who bought a vintage Fender as an investment and a mantelpiece, but what I just mentioned above would really make the bottom fall out of the vintage market, when the quality of today's stuff -- STANDARD stuff -- is perceived to be as good as vintage. It's time some of this older stuff in player's condition finds their way back to players. I'm really tired of seeing a battered '70 Strat selling for x insane amount of money with the finish stripped off and redone in primer and a good portion of the original hardware replaced and missing.)

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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:44 pm
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Phoenix,
One one hand I agree with you, but I'm afraid the way the trend is going, it's really more likely that the opposite will happen.
It's just not economically feasable to build point-to-point circut amplifiers on an assembly line like it used to be. You can still get them in the modern day equivalents, but the parts and labor will cost you between $3000-$5000.
You can thank the EPA for a lot of this and all the crybabies who want everything ROHS compliant. If memory serves me correctly, Owensboro, Ky. used to be the prime producer of vacuum tubes, until they were regulated out of business. If someone doesn't muzzle these groups, then I fear that eventually, the use of vintage amplifiers may end up being banned altogether.
Already, many of the replacement components for a lot of the old electronic equipment is no longer available anywhere, and the list of "No Longer Manufactured" is growing...

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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:24 pm
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Good points Harley, before long we'll probably be paying a carbon tax for using vacum tubes.


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With respect to using and/or programming the CT or SE, I offer the Cyber Commander product. It let's you use everything the CT or SE has with a simple mouse click. Check it out at:
http://www.generalcybersystems.com/GCSWebSite/index.php

Cyber Commander manuals are available for download, there is no trial version, mainly to prevent pirating. The software is stable, in approximately 2 years it has been out, there have been no bugs whatsoever. As a consequence, there have been no updates, none are foreseen.

I think Cyber Commander really does "unleash the power in your amp".

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HarleyHexxe wrote:
Phoenix,
One one hand I agree with you, but I'm afraid the way the trend is going, it's really more likely that the opposite will happen.
It's just not economically feasable to build point-to-point circut amplifiers on an assembly line like it used to be. You can still get them in the modern day equivalents, but the parts and labor will cost you between $3000-$5000.
You can thank the EPA for a lot of this and all the crybabies who want everything ROHS compliant. If memory serves me correctly, Owensboro, Ky. used to be the prime producer of vacuum tubes, until they were regulated out of business. If someone doesn't muzzle these groups, then I fear that eventually, the use of vintage amplifiers may end up being banned altogether.
Already, many of the replacement components for a lot of the old electronic equipment is no longer available anywhere, and the list of "No Longer Manufactured" is growing...


I think there is a way to keep Fender production domestic and sell it at a reasonable price and make it just as good of quality as the old stuff while shoving a stick up the $@! of the protection group nannies. Actually, I see the RoHS BS as a way to truly make the old stuff better while still keeping it sounding, acting, tasting, and performing like it used to.

It would also help if FMIC weren't organized like GM before it went bankrupt (owning too many brands and building too many models in an effort to try and reduce competition which, in turn, makes you slack off on making an exceptional quality product because you don't think there is much of any competition to worry about and you spend too much time competing with yourself indirectly).

I have plenty of ideas, but I could almost write a book about them.

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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:28 am
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It would be nice to see that happen, but we are not the powers that be at FMIC. Speaking of which, I wonder if any of them have looked at this thread and considered the original question I posted here?

@ Johnny: I've already saved the link to Cyber Systems, and plan to check that out thouroghly when I get the SE for myself. Currently, I'm completeling another guitar system with old ADA gear, and this is turning out to be a killer rack system. Once this is completed, then I plan to get one, possibly two SE's and run these into my old vintage Twins from the line outs. That should keep my Fender tone all tube, and give me all the sound possibilities available with the CT's.
Can you imagine what two Cyber Twin SE's would sound like coming from four vintage tube Twins? My tastebuds are drooling already

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