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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 3:59 pm
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PCB's do not make or break a chassis design. It's how they are executed in design and production that dictates whether the amp stands or falls. The DRRI's do not have the channel-routing diodes, switching relays, solid-state reverb, plastic input jacks, buzzy cabinetry, or other goofy features that seem to plague the HR's. The sheer volume of posts on this board and others regarding problems with these amps is demonstrable proof.

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oh god here we go again. people....play what you like and what works for you not someone else. you know what opinions are like...? long live fender.


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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 4:28 pm
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I'm with with you Blackstrat.

I'm pretty new on this forum, I spent most of my time playing over the years not posting in forums, and thought some online interaction might be interesting for a change and I might be able to learn something and pass on some things I know.

But if this kind of tedious product bashing is what this forum is about, then I'm about done here.


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No457 Snowy wrote:
I'm with with you Blackstrat.

I'm pretty new on this forum, I spent most of my time playing over the years not posting in forums, and thought some online interaction might be interesting for a change and I might be able to learn something and pass on some things I know.

But if this kind of tedious product bashing is what this forum is about, then I'm about done here.


Cheers,

Snowy.


I have to agree with you two. This is like a broken record and getting old fast!

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Hey guys, I'm not bashing anything. I like the 65, 59, and 57 series amps. I like my HRDLx a lot now that I have modded it. I'm just tired of reading about how horrible they are. I'm not saying they are perfect, or the best amps ever made, far from it. I'm sure they have a higher rate of failure than the more expensive reissues, after all you get what you pay for. I'm just saying that they serve a puropose, and can't possibly be as bad as Supro and others make them out to be. If they were, they would have been discontinued long ago! No product stays in production for 14 years and has the sales of the Hot Rod series without having some merit and dependability. No hate here. I'm not saying that the Hot Rod series is as good or better than the reissues, they are not, but that does not mean that they are crap. For the average guitar player a HRDLx and a good OD (TS808) pedal provide a lot of good tone and fun. Change the tubes and speaker and you are really in to something. Mod it a little and you can get in to some even better tone. Like I said, I like them all; Fender, Marshall, Egnator, just to name a few, but I will put my modded HRDLx up against the DRRI anytime. No pedals, just guitar, amp, and chord. My amp can hang with the DRRi on the clean channel, and my OD will smoke it, and at practice volume to boot.

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No457 Snowy wrote:
I'm with with you Blackstrat.

I'm pretty new on this forum, I spent most of my time playing over the years not posting in forums, and thought some online interaction might be interesting for a change and I might be able to learn something and pass on some things I know.

But if this kind of tedious product bashing is what this forum is about, then I'm about done here.


Cheers,

Snowy.


I have to agree with you two. This is like a broken record and getting old fast!


So is seeing "Yet Another Hot Rod Problem" post getting old. I've helped a lot of folks out with HRD problems. If you like it fine. Unless you had one with tons of problems, you'll never understand. I work hard for my money and demand a good product. I didn't get one. If you got 14 years out of a HRDlx, you were extremely lucky. Look on other amp forums especially gear forums not dedicated to any special brand and you'll see all kinds of HRD horror stories. I will always help whenever I can with technical advice as does Arjay.

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Well, I hope you're proud of yourself. Again. :P


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Yes I am. :wink:

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No457 Snowy wrote:
I'm with with you Blackstrat.

I'm pretty new on this forum, I spent most of my time playing over the years not posting in forums, and thought some online interaction might be interesting for a change and I might be able to learn something and pass on some things I know.

But if this kind of tedious product bashing is what this forum is about, then I'm about done here.


Cheers,

Snowy.


I have to agree with you two. This is like a broken record and getting old fast!


So is seeing "Yet Another Hot Rod Problem" post getting old. I've helped a lot of folks out with HRD problems. If you like it fine. Unless you had one with tons of problems, you'll never understand. I work hard for my money and demand a good product. I didn't get one. If you got 14 years out of a HRDlx, you were extremely lucky. Look on other amp forums especially gear forums not dedicated to any special brand and you'll see all kinds of HRD horror stories. I will always help whenever I can with technical advice as does Arjay.


Supro is a legend in his own mind. :wink:


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HaHA that's for sure. :wink:

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I have one.. I hated it at first. It was so loud.. I hated it.. Then I was watching thois site. So I saw someone suggersted change a tube. And then some said try the Ominsonice thingie.. WOW Changed the whole amp. Also I have been playing in 2 bands. With practice 2 or 4 times a week and playing out 2 to4 or more times a week, that thing keeps on kicking.. I now love that amp. It gives me a one of a kind sound.. Mark


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Retroverbial wrote:
PCB's do not make or break a chassis design. It's how they are executed in design and production that dictates whether the amp stands or falls. The DRRI's do not have the channel-routing diodes, switching relays, solid-state reverb, plastic input jacks, buzzy cabinetry, or other goofy features that seem to plague the HR's. The sheer volume of posts on this board and others regarding problems with these amps is demonstrable proof.

Arjay


The sheer volume of posts may be more attributable to the sheer volume of units produced, sold, and in service. Be cautious how you interpret statistics.

Go to a site such as Harmony Central and look up reviews for each amp you wish to compare. For those having a "significant" number of reviews, you can be more sure it reflects the public opinion. You may also gain insight on the number of units sold. If you do this you may be suprised by the results.

I'd love to see Fender's statistics on warranty claims/1000 units produced. That would be telling!

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RVM lead wrote:
Retroverbial wrote:
PCB's do not make or break a chassis design. It's how they are executed in design and production that dictates whether the amp stands or falls. The DRRI's do not have the channel-routing diodes, switching relays, solid-state reverb, plastic input jacks, buzzy cabinetry, or other goofy features that seem to plague the HR's. The sheer volume of posts on this board and others regarding problems with these amps is demonstrable proof.

Arjay


The sheer volume of posts may be more attributable to the sheer volume of units produced, sold, and in service. Be cautious how you interpret statistics.

Go to a site such as Harmony Central and look up reviews for each amp you wish to compare. For those having a "significant" number of reviews, you can be more sure it reflects the public opinion. You may also gain insight on the number of units sold. If you do this you may be suprised by the results.

I'd love to see Fender's statistics on warranty claims/1000 units produced. That would be telling!


You'll never see warranty stats from Fender. They sell a lot and they repair a lot of the HRD series. I my case multiple times. Not the same thing twice and the tech I use is one of the best in my area so it's not tech incompetence. Lots of musicians some famous some not so famous use the guy.

Harmony Central is a joke. That's the last place I'll ever look. No one likes to admit they bought a dog. I know many, many musicians and techs too. Almost everyone I know who has a HRD series amp has had problems with it at one point or another. Way more than and much earlier than any anp they've ever owned.

Many people won't take the time to complain (except me lol) and a lot of the great reviews come early on while the honeymoon is still in effect and usually from a newbie who has no point of reference. Fenders first GDecs had a real common data wheel problem. I had one of them too. :? My advise is always to steer clear of low end amps. On another note, as far as the Egnater Rebel goes, Bruce Egnater has stated on his forum that problems with the Rebel in under 1% and he's quite proud of it. All I know is my Rebel 20 is used almost every day and not babied for the past 9 months and it's been seriously reliable and totally bullet proof.

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Does anybody know who does these mods for the hot rods in Arizona?


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Any amp tech should be able to do them. The problem is is that the boards and traces are really thin and fragile. The last thing you want is to is have traces start lifting and jumpering all kinds of components. Many times after modding them they can start having issues. I never bothered modding mine because at that point I figured I'd be tossing good money after bad and voiding the warranty making it less desirable when you sell it. When I sold mine the buyer was all excited because I still had 7 months of warranty to transfer.

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