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Post subject: Think the blues deluxe reissue is better than the hot rod!!!
Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 1:33 pm
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The blues deluxe is better than the hot rod deluxe:
the sound is warmer and you can tame and master its loudness what's is not posiible with the hot rod , the hot rod is not really usable and useful for you can't increase volume without getting deaf
moreover the gain channels are rubbish as it is with the BDR ,FENDER is king with clear tone and devil with gain channels, luckily these amps admit pedals very well
Hot rods wil make you deaf and we know how important it is to preserve one's hearing
the only hot rods deluxe I found excellent were the paul personne modified tweed amps with jensen that are now out of run, what a shame!!!!!!!!!!but with my BRD ,I can reach paul personne beloved tones , especially with my goldtop reissue 57 and moSfet 2


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Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 4:00 pm
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The Blues Deluxe is part of the Hot-Rod series and as far as I know they are the same amp except the HRD has the extra gain push.

I've been making a decent living for nearly 10 years using the gain channel on a Hot-Rod DeVille as have many other guys I know, JJ power tubes and a mix of Mesa and EH pre-amp tubes and the gain sounds great.

As for going deaf, again they are the same. I mic mine up at some shows and I'm not deaf yet.

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Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 6:42 pm
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Celtic Cyclonus wrote:
The Blues Deluxe is part of the Hot-Rod series and as far as I know they are the same amp except the HRD has the extra gain push.

I've been making a decent living for nearly 10 years using the gain channel on a Hot-Rod DeVille as have many other guys I know, JJ power tubes and a mix of Mesa and EH pre-amp tubes and the gain sounds great.

As for going deaf, again they are the same. I mic mine up at some shows and I'm not deaf yet.

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+1 CC. You all know how I feel about the whole Hot Rod series but volodia is way off base on this one. The only difference is the drive channels. I made my HRDlx sound good too. It's only gone because of the reliability issues I had with it and the Blues Deluxe amps are susceptible to the same problems. JJ power tubes are awesome. Bias them around 85mv and they're golden.
As far as the volume control issue, guitars have volume controls too. That's how I control my all the time on any amp. :wink:

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Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 7:56 pm
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63supro wrote:
It's only gone because of the reliability issues


If amps were automobiles I think we both know which one would be likened to a Fiat......

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Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 8:16 pm
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63supro wrote:
It's only gone because of the reliability issues


If amps were automobiles I think we both know which one would be likened to a Fiat......

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Is it the DRRI :?:


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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 11:28 am
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Nah, not the DRRI, but the HRD series is more like the Yugo. The VM's (Vintage Molested) are more the Fiat at this point. :shock:

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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 11:41 am
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63supro wrote:
Nah, not the DRRI, but the HRD series is more like the Yugo. The VM's (Vintage Molested) are more the Fiat at this point. :shock:


LMAO!

I happened to look at the output tranny in a VM Bandmaster the other day while at my local Guitar Circus. It looked to be about the same size as the reverb choke in my '65 Princeton Reverb.

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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 11:52 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
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Nah, not the DRRI, but the HRD series is more like the Yugo. The VM's (Vintage Molested) are more the Fiat at this point. :shock:


LMAO!

I happened to look at the output tranny in a VM Bandmaster the other day while at my local Guitar Circus. It looked to be about the same size as the reverb choke in my '65 Princeton Reverb.

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Arjay, I noticed that too. It doesn't really seem that loud for a 40 watt amp. I wasn't impressed with the build quality either. The the grill fell off the early sample I tried out. LOL

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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 12:00 pm
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Hey Supro, I sent you an email -- check your verizon addy mailbox.

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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 12:15 pm
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If HRDLx amps are such crap why are they the number one selling tube amp in the world? Seriously, someone explain this to me. It can't just be cost, the beloved Peavey Classic 30 costs about the same, and there are other comparable amps in the same price range, Epiphone comes to mind, but yet the lowly HRDLx perserveres and leads the pack in its product category. If they are such unreliable peices of crap they would have gone the way of the Yugo a long time ago, but they are still going strong. There must be something good about them, Fender has been selling the $@!& out of them since 1996. If I remember corectly Yugo was gone after a couple years. The fact that the HRDlx series amps have maintained and grown marketshare over a 14 year production run is clear empirical evidence that they are not unreliable pieces of crap.

I agree that the overdrive channels leave a lot to be desired, and I have modified my amp significantly to achieve better OD. Then again, I bought mine used for $200.00 and still have less than the cost of a new one in it. My amp is over 14 years old and has never skipped a beat. It was gigged regularly for its first two years, has been tinkered with extensively, and get's played regularly. I'm not saying these are the greatest amps ever made, but they are not even close to the peices of junk they get portrayed to be, on this and other forums, by a few unfortunate individuals that had really bad experiences with them.

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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 12:22 pm
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If HRDLx amps are such crap why are they the number one selling tube amp in the world? Seriously, someone explain this to me. It can't just be cost, the beloved Peavey Classic 30 costs about the same, and there are other comparable amps in the same price range, Epiphone comes to mind, but yet the lowly HRDLx perserveres and leads the pack in its product category. If they are such unreliable peices of crap they would have gone the way of the Yugo a long time ago, but they are still going strong. There must be something good about them, Fender has been selling the $@!& out of them since 1996. If I remember corectly Yugo was gone after a couple years. The fact that the HRDlx series amps have maintained and grown marketshare over a 14 year production run is clear empirical evidence that they are not unreliable pieces of crap.

I agree that the overdrive channels leave a lot to be desired, and I have modified my amp significantly to achieve better OD. Then again, I bought mine used for $200.00 and still have less than the cost of a new one in it. My amp is over 14 years old and has never skipped a beat. It was gigged regularly for its first two years, has been tinkered with extensively, and get's played regularly. I'm not saying these are the greatest amps ever made, but they are not even close to the peices of junk they get portrayed to be, on this and other forums, by a few unfortunate individuals that had really bad experiences with them.


It's their price point and how loud people think they are. I knew mine intimately inside and out and so did myamp tech. They are still around because the profit margin is so high on them.

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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 12:39 pm
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63 Supro, it can't be that simple. People don't buy crap for 14 years because it is cheap. Word would spread rapidly and consumers would purchase other comprable products, there are and has been plenty of other similarly priced options available. Your example of the Yugo provides clear evidence that the American consumer will not buy inferior products for long, regardless of advertising campaigns and promises of quality, etc... Additionally, high margins don't drive demand, they just make the manufacturer and their shareholders happy. I've never compared two products and based my decision to buy on the margin for the manufacturer, have you? Maybe, just maybe, these amps fill a niche in the amp market that no one has been able to knock them out of? Certainly Peavey and Epiphone are trying, but still haven't done so, why is that? I assert that the Hot Rod series amps, while not perfect, fill a lot of needs for a lot of guitarist, and do so very well. And THAT is why they have been around, and the market leader in their product category for so long. You don't have to love them, and based on your experience I don't blame you for disliking them, but they have to be doing something right on a relatively consistent basis to achieve what they have with this product line.

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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 2:11 pm
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Hey, 14 years ago my DRRI left the factory in Brea, California and the only "bench time" its ever endured was when I re-tubed it with NOS RCA blackplates, re-set the bias, and installed a dual-tap secondary output tranny a few years back. I challenge any HRD-based amp to match that record for maintenance, serviceability, and reliability.

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Post subject: I have to change my mind or rather precise it
Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 2:46 pm
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The blues deluxe is in fact the most for me in particular because it fits me

well and I can find all I was looking for, moreover I find it progressive and

can equalize the volume which was pretty difficult with the hot rods Ihad

tried(was about to buy the surf green one, but was very disapointed).

What I was really looking for before was the hot rod special limited serie

called tweed with jensen used by THE FAMOUS FRENCH GUITARIST "PAUL

PERSONNE "(Listen to utube best ever made solo "visions"by paul

personne and you'll understand what I mean!!!!!!! with a les paul, a true

fun

So I found its analogue(the BDR) but with a better progressivity and less

loud which fitted my goldtop to get roughly the same tone as M paul

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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 3:17 pm
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Hey retroverbial, the DRRI is a sweet amp. I'm currently lusting for a 57 Deluxe with a Visual Sound Route 66 pedal in front of it. That being said, my HRDLx would of had no "bench" time in 14 years had I not modded the tone circuit and upgraded the speaker. It sounds awfully sweet, I'll put it up against a DRRI anytime. My HRDLx has been a warrior. It has been used hard, sat for a while, and for the past five years used almost daily, and not so much as a hiccup! Isn't the DRRI a PCB amp? As a matter of fact, aren't all of the 59 and 65 reissue amps PCB amps? Did PCB boards even exist in 59 or 65? I think you DRRI guys should come down off of your high horses!

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