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Post subject: Deluxe Reissue
Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 1:53 pm
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Hello All,

i was at my guitar techs shop this weekend and he showed me a 1967 deluxe reissue with the blackface circuits(whatever that means)
he says there is no comparison to the reissues

please let's discuss...


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Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 2:58 pm
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I assume you mean a '65 Deluxe Reverb Reissue. Or DRRI as some call it for short.
http://www.fender.com/products/search.p ... 0217400000

Your guitar tech says there is there is no comparison to the reissues? What about comparing it to a real Deluxe Reverb from 1965 that the reissue is trying to imitate??? :lol: You can't beat the original. That's why they cost so much.

Sounds like your tech really digs the DRRI. It's just like any other amp really. Some people love it, some like it, and some hate it.

I just got a used DRRI last week. It's my first 'blackface' amp. I hope it works out for me since I'm used to Vox and Marshall sounding amps. The reverb is great though!

p.s. You'll hear terms like tweed, blackface, and silverface when referring to Fender amps. These describe the different timelines of Fender amps and the changing circuits as well as cosmetics. Here's more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fender_Amplifiers

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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reissue
Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 3:09 pm
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newlife15 wrote:
Hello All,

i was at my guitar techs shop this weekend and he showed me a 1967 deluxe reissue with the blackface circuits(whatever that means)
he says there is no comparison to the reissues

please let's discuss...


Newlife
Well.I guess that depends on what he means by no comparision.The big advantage of a vintage amp is point to point wiring .Thats only an advantage if you do your own repairs.Many will claim that they (the vintage ) sounds better,etc, etc.Thats mainly because the speaker has been broken in for 35+years and some of the electrical components have changed in values over the years giving it a different sound.There is nothing wrong with the reissues and everyone who has owned one will say that they are an incredible amp with a great track record for reliability.Coming from your techs point of view , they are so much easier to work on .There are more here who have more experience with vintage amps and can give you better input about them .My experience is limited to a 75 silverface super reverb.I know retroverbial and supro have been known to have a few.


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Post subject: drri
Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 3:36 pm
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VMy apologies for not making myself clear. my tech has a silver face deluxe reverb it is in absolute mint condition. he mentioned something about that it has blackface something or another ??? circuts? it is hand wired and sounds real good but he said that i can't compare that to my DRRI cause mine has a circuit board not hand wiring. i guess my question is, is there a substantial difference? i don't have anything to compare my drri to so what do u all think?
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Post subject: Re: drri
Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 4:00 pm
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newlife15 wrote:
VMy apologies for not making myself clear. my tech has a silver face deluxe reverb it is in absolute mint condition. he mentioned something about that it has blackface something or another ??? circuts? it is hand wired and sounds real good but he said that i can't compare that to my DRRI cause mine has a circuit board not hand wiring. i guess my question is, is there a substantial difference? i don't have anything to compare my drri to so what do u all think?
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The only real difference is they are easier to work on.The circuit boards in the reissue are of high quality and the deluxe reverb has a great track record when it comes to reliability.You can search the internet and find very few problems with them.Now the hotrod series is a whole other matter.


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Post subject: Re: drri
Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 4:27 pm
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newlife15 wrote:
VMy apologies for not making myself clear. my tech has a silver face deluxe reverb it is in absolute mint condition. he mentioned something about that it has blackface something or another ??? circuts? it is hand wired and sounds real good but he said that i can't compare that to my DRRI cause mine has a circuit board not hand wiring. i guess my question is, is there a substantial difference? i don't have anything to compare my drri to so what do u all think?
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The only real difference is they are easier to work on.The circuit boards in the reissue are of high quality and the deluxe reverb has a great track record when it comes to reliability.You can search the internet and find very few problems with them.Now the hotrod series is a whole other matter.


+1 to Budglo's comments.

THe original hand-wired BF and SF DR amps generally have a "warmer" tone but only because over the years many of the components within the chassis have "drifted" from their original specs. But aging parts are a double-edged sword in that eventually things start to fail and must be replaced. What's left when everything has been replaced? Price an original output tranny for a vintage DR lately? Likewise, the original amps (up until 1970 or so) utilized cabs of all-pine lock-corner construction with a screw-in baffle which resonates better than rabbet-joined planks and birch ply. Such manufacture is also more durable than the cabinetry of today. But as far as the DRRI goes, it's a fine amp with an enviable track record of reliability and a MSRP that puts it within reach of most players who covet the BF-style tone and vibe.

Thus your tech is correct, but only with qualifications. Not everybody is in a position to drop $2000+ on a vintage combo amp.

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Post subject: Deluxe reissue
Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 3:05 am
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So then all the intagibles that go into a great sounding vintage amp can't possibly happen with a reissue?


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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 4:06 am
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In my opinion ( I repair amp and built some since 4 years).

The Deluxe Reissue, is made with low cost parts : Chineese or Taiwan, transformers and capacitors just for name few. Like most modern fender amp

That was not the case with Blackface and some Silverface. That's why they work after 30-40 years.


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Post subject: drri
Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 4:16 am
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Well then if the reissues are made with cost cutting parts as u mentioned there then must be upgrades to these parts. my question is will a capacitor be better because it's made in usa? when we say that foreign parts are cheaper do we mean less expensive? or poor quality?


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Post subject: Re: drri
Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 4:35 am
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newlife15 wrote:
Well then if the reissues are made with cost cutting parts as u mentioned there then must be upgrades to these parts. my question is will a capacitor be better because it's made in usa? when we say that foreign parts are cheaper do we mean less expensive? or poor quality?
Not all foreign parts are cheaper.And I guess which parts are significant enough to make a differance.Make no mistake , the reissues are made of quality parts.Like retroverbial said, its a double edged sword.Buy vintage , pay more than double and you will be seeing your amp tech somewhat regular.And if it needs repair , it can be costly.Would you be putting a vintage output transformer in it or an aftermarket .What about the speaker?Going to have it reconed or find a new one.My amp cost me 800 us dollars new and it comes with a 5 yr warranty.Other than retubing (which I plan to do myself )It wont need to see a tech for a while .Like I said ,the reliability of these amps are superb.If they were truly made of cheap parts ,they would not have the track record they do.This is a popular and well gigged amp.The question is ,do you want to spend 2-3k on a vintage amp or 8-1000 dollars on a new or 5-600 on a used reissue.


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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 4:42 am
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Yes i agree. i purchased my drri for 600 used three years ago and i have not had any problems with it using it every sunday at church for 2-3 hours. now my opinion is that the reissues must come close to vintage sound or whats the point of putting out a reissue in the first place? if you can't get close to the sound of a vintage.


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Post subject: Re: drri
Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 4:50 am
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newlife15 wrote:
Yes i agree. i purchased my drri for 600 used three years ago and i have not had any problems with it using it every sunday at church for 2-3 hours. now my opinion is that the reissues must come close to vintage sound or whats the point of putting out a reissue in the first place? if you can't get close to the sound of a vintage.
Exactly,if you reread retroverbials post he says the reason the vintage sound like they do is because parts like the speaker have been well broken in and electrical parts have drifted from their original value.Obviously if you put a 35 yr old amp against a new reissue it will sound a little different.I bet if you put a deluxe reverb together built with 66 specs using new components , the sound would be the same.


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Not Foreigh are cheap : asiatic parts foud in mass market amp are cheap .

Germany , French capacitors, to name a fews are great.

Yes goods capacitor , or resistor ot transformers make BIG difference.

Those asiatic parts are good for making computer,TV set, microwave but they don't give you a good tone like Blackface or Silverface et many of " small builders" amps.

I agree you could be happy with your amp but you won't find those mass market amp in , not 30 years, but 20 years. They won't be working.

You could find those good amp used, a price close to what you pay at your dealer.
But you have to work hard for that : looking on used musical instr. I take time.
But I agree with you, those used amp could need a first good tune up by a GOOD thecnician. I think find a good one is not easy.

But when you have those good amp, you would 't never return back


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Post subject: drri
Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 8:04 am
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Well then Stratele52,

would taking my 65 deluxe Reverb reissue to a good amp tech
and having the capacitors. transistors, and transformers upgraded make a difference in my sound(which to my ears sounds fine IMHO) or will i just be throwing money away because tonewise it would not make much of a difference?

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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 8:35 am
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newlife15 wrote:
or will i just be throwing money away because tonewise it would not make much of a difference?


If it ain't broke, don't "fix" it.

(from one of my military tech school instructors -- about a thousand years ago)

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