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Yeah, I love mine. I play it just as much as my bigger amps. It's definitely an amp that I will never sell. I'll probably buy another one someday to run in stereo.

I love seeing people's reactions when they hear the sound that comes out of such a small amp. And then they realize that it's battery powered and they look like this: :shock:

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I'm sure you've experimented with your pignose.

What? Another insult directed at 63supro? I won't stand for it! :x

Oh, that's the name of an amp? Never mind... :wink:

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HaHa!! You guys are the best :)
I have experimented with my Pignose though. :shock:


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HaHa!! You guys are the best :)
I have experimented with my Pignose though. :shock:


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63supro wrote:
HaHa!! You guys are the best :)
I have experimented with my Pignose though. :shock:


Is that what you call it? Different strokes...

But seriously, I love my SCXD. But it could be improved. A midrange control, headphone jack - and the ability to switch between channel 2 voices would be nice.

I like some of the onboard effects. Makes it simple anyway - when I go somewhere else to jam I don't have to drag a whole pedal board with me.

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The Deluxe VM is a bit different. It's just a regular 2-channel amp but with some added effects. I haven't played one, so it may be a nice amp for all I know, but it's a different animal from the Super Champ XD. The big drawing card to this Champ (for me anyway) is that incredible 59 Bassman voice which really does sound like a 59 Bassman only better.

I'm assuming that the Deluxe VM is modeled after a blackface Deluxe which I was never too crazy about.

Exactly and what would be nice (possibly what you're saying) is all the great settings in the SCXD at VM wattage. I have one of each and they are different critters.

It would be nice to see an SCXD in the VM power range and with the VM abililty to have several FX operating at once. Then as Bill says, add the ability to switch between the clean setting and the "lead" setting, and I'd need few/no pedals at all.

However, this would also merge a number of Fender products into one. They'd lose unit sales and then maybe have to price the hypothetical SCXD-VM at closer to boutique levels. Given a choice, I'd rather they keep the less-than-perfect individual options than an out of price range ideal model.


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First off I think we all need to differentiate between what the OP likes in a amp and what we think are good sounds. Lets try and remain objective about it.

Personally out of my preferences I'd agree with
The Majority of fender amps being like a ice pick to the head (if you would indulge my imagination liking the excessive treble with little mids being capable of giving you a ice cream headache, when turned up too much).

Vox (I hate em with a passion. I've never heard a good vox sound without effects. Even the Vox master (Hank Marvin) couldnt get a good tone without excessive effects levels)
Sorry had to say it.

yeah Egnaters aren't anything like Marshalls (I'll leave it at that because I have a lot of respect for their defenders). Marshalls can easily sound bad. Play em at anything less than 6 and less than 2 12" speakers in a 12x15 room for proof.

Tubes/valves dont have a huge effect on their own. (cmon take a look in your amp and tell me one component makes the huge over inflated difference it's been built up to making by some marketing gimp. JJ's are great, yeah ok I'll take your word for it. Put em in a failing marshall with worn out pots and caps and tell me you can hear the difference).

i dont like the champ settings on my vibrochamp xd. They are very bland sounding. However I love the no1 setting, that is quirky heaven.

We all differ, and so we should. It keeps our worlds interesting. What we shouldnt do is take opinion or preference as fact. I know what I like and I use what I like. if you get good out of yours, I'm happy for you. You got something you can work with and thats all that matters.

Speech over. Lets differentiate between preference and popularity eh?

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philip602 wrote:
Bill_Seper wrote:
The Deluxe VM is a bit different. It's just a regular 2-channel amp but with some added effects. I haven't played one, so it may be a nice amp for all I know, but it's a different animal from the Super Champ XD. The big drawing card to this Champ (for me anyway) is that incredible 59 Bassman voice which really does sound like a 59 Bassman only better.

I'm assuming that the Deluxe VM is modeled after a blackface Deluxe which I was never too crazy about.

Exactly and what would be nice (possibly what you're saying) is all the great settings in the SCXD at VM wattage. I have one of each and they are different critters.

It would be nice to see an SCXD in the VM power range and with the VM abililty to have several FX operating at once. Then as Bill says, add the ability to switch between the clean setting and the "lead" setting, and I'd need few/no pedals at all.



However, this would also merge a number of Fender products into one. They'd lose unit sales and then maybe have to price the hypothetical SCXD-VM at closer to boutique levels. Given a choice, I'd rather they keep the less-than-perfect individual options than an out of price range ideal model.


Phillip, the SCXD and Vibro Champ ARE part of the VM family. The VM just means vintage molested er I mean vintage modified. :oops: The Champion 600 is part of the same family.

These amps are what they are. Personally I don't like em. I'm more of the reissue or original kind of guy. I never had a Blackface or Silverface amp that sounded like an icepick in the forehead. I don't know if the tone stacks were a bit better or what. Just my opinion and experience with lots of them. A tube change alone in my HRDlx not only got rid of the the icepick syndrome, but substantially corrected the drive channels and warmed the amps tone quite a bit.

nikininja, I always respect your opinion. FXA, Frank, it's no biggie. One thing you'll notice is there are some pretty vocal and opinionated members here, and I put myself way on top of that list. Me, nikininja, my good friend budglo, CC and many others are that way. The thing is, no matter what, we never take things personally and everyone tries to help each other. Personal insults are taboo. It's usually a really friendly situation. If you want to have some fun, look up how much I despise the whole HRD series amps. It's an entire novel.

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:lol: Well said Supro buddy!

Exactly! FXA, we have good healthy debates here and rarely take things personally. The only time we do is if it is in fact personal which should never come up.

Maturely debating and discussing gear is not personal, everyone's opinion counts for something here and I have learned more than I have helped anyone, when I do help it's more often than not from passing on what I have learned.

We just have strong opinions but healthy ones and the bigger picture is we are trying to help others get along with their hobby/profession/collection or whatever their bag may be. There is a huge difference between a healthy debate/discussion and an immature argument. This forum is not your run of the mill, we have something special here. This is fender.com, the one and only.

This is what makes this forum the best on the net. I love it here and I'm pretty sure you will too! 8)

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63supro wrote:
The thing is, no matter what, we never take things personally and everyone tries to help each other. Personal insults are taboo. It's usually a really friendly situation. If you want to have some fun, look up how much I despise the whole HRD series amps. It's an entire novel.

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Xactly lets keep it friendly and have a bit of respect for others opinions. You may not agree with their opinion, but does their opinion do you any harm. I'll voice my opinion if asked for it or I can make a point like I did previously. What I really dont like the sound of is el84's in push pull circuits, yes even matchless DC30's gets up my nose. I just dont like the sound. How that matters to anyone lucky enough to own a DC30, I dunno. The opinion of some faceless bloke on the internet is of little relevance to their bank balance. The only sound I dislike more is a modellers vox imitation.

As for insults, well you ruin any coherent argument for or against something by resorting to them.

Anyone can run my vibrochap down, I dont care I like it. The vibrochap dont care, its an inanimate object.

If you use a old shoebox with a busted car radio speaker and some cable thrown in it, does it matter as long as your happy with it?

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nikininja, that's the beauty on the Egnater Rebel. You can blend the EL84 and 6V6 power tubes to get something really unique. I still lean towards the 6V6 side but that bit of EL84 adds a little bite to the 6V6 bloom. It's one of the most unique amps I've owned in years.


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Yeah I tried em the 6V6 side does sound good, really good, and they seem very solid too. I really dont think anyone understands how much I dislike el84's though. I didnt have enough time to play with it and a shop floor is not the best place to do such things anyway.

Now take a look at my mate Mark's amps. This bloke invented the class shift that peavey tried to steal. They now use a modelling gizmo on their amps.

SHeldon TT1

The TT3, Satans handbag

At £500 for the 1-9watt and £2400 for the 18-35watt it's easy to see why he's struggling. There are currently no dealers anywhere. It's a case of ring him up and get one made. Fantastic amps though, truly never heard anything like em before.

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Real nice stuff. Does he sell them in the States? I'll have to convert the prices to USD. It's a shame the SHeldon TT1 doesn't have sound samples yet.

People who think the Hot Rod series are the mutts nuts need to listen to Satan's Handbag. There is a richness and clarity that's amazing.
As much as I love Fender amps, I always looked outside the Fender box. You seriously limit your tonal palette sticking with one brand of amp or guitar. In my time I've had Fender, Danelectro, Sunn, Ampeg, Silvertone and Orange amps etc. It's a shame I didn't keep all that old stuff. Hind sight is always 20/20.


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