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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:04 pm
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I have a fundamental issue with any vendor on the Fender forums using the forums to benefit their business without full disclosure - to me, this is underhanded and dishonest and is behavior that is banned on other music boards such as srforums.prosoundweb.com.

I would strongly recommend adopting this language and/or similar from srforums.prosoundweb.com:

"3. If you work for a manufacturer or a rep firm, you may not start a thread for the purposes of promoting a product. In fact, regarding your own products, the rule of thumb is "speak only when spoken to" meaning feel free to answer questions in an objective fashion. Tech support is always welcome."

So if you're a dealer for other amps, effects, software, I would say that needs to be disclosed in any topics started or responses, and we should all follow the language above to keep the Fender Forums a great place for information and friendly discussion/debate.


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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 5:46 am
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Perhaps ned, I see your point.

Has there been any recent examples though?

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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 5:56 am
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Other vendors have no right to post here anyway. This site is for fender products with fender employees on hand to handle any technical advice.

We do talk of other products here, I'm probably more guilty of it than most. Fender display a great level of tolerance putting up with such things.

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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:06 am
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Can't put my finger on exact cases, but if someone was a dealer/distributor for another line of amps (not Fender) and kept saying to buy them, I'd want to know their intentions.

Flip side - if someone is a dealer/distributor of guitar gear and I have a question, would be great to know that I can go to them.

Ninja - while you may think other vendors don't have a right to post here, there's nothing I see in the forum guidelines that prevents them from posting. I'm just suggesting we should adopt guidelines so that if they choose to participate in a great forum, they do so by the rules.

Similar systems also exist on Gearslutz.com.

FYI - nothing wrong with expressing personal preferences - I do it all the time as well and I have no problem with that or others who do so. It gets problematic when people's personal preferences also match their business interests to get people to buy an amp software, or effects they sell/distribute.

Again, just a suggestion.

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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:12 pm
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I agree, sir. This is a corporate-sponsored forum and FMIC has gone to some expense to see to it that we have a place to gather and swap information without any obligation, financial or otherwise. Vendors from competing firms are free to put up their own discussion groups to promote their own products and should do so.

It's one thing for some vendor who happens to drop by here to offer some tech tip for a piece of gear that they make when someone has a problem with it. But it's altogether a different situation when a competitor comes here to shamelessly hawk their wares.

I betting that all of us have some piece of non-Fender equipment that we *might* recommend to another on the basis of some unique capability or feature. But by the same token, we're not pushing the product for financial gain or vested monetary interest.

FWIW, YMMV, HTH

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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:19 pm
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If at any time you feel that someone is posting SPAM or using a post to make money for himself hit the "Report" button in the top right hand corner of every post to let the administrator (Brad) know about it.
That goes for any post that anyone feels in not appropriate for the Fender Forum.

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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:36 pm
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Chet - great post, and it could be as simple as your signature showing what you're a dealer for.

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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:24 am
I'm not really a let's make more laws or rules person, but i do think vendors should not be on this site. True, individuals posting on the Fender site do discuss non Fender items. Myself included. But that is what makes this a good forum. Everyone isn't going to be only using Fender gear. My Fender P Bass is to me the best bass on the market. In closing, keep an open forum for the individual poster. A good site Fender, thanks.


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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:42 am
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pbassz816 wrote:
I'm not really a let's make more laws or rules person, but i do think vendors should not be on this site. True, individuals posting on the Fender site do discuss non Fender items. Myself included. But that is what makes this a good forum. Everyone isn't going to be only using Fender gear. My Fender P Bass is to me the best bass on the market. In closing, keep an open forum for the individual poster. A good site Fender, thanks.


+1 pbassz816

Gearheads like to discuss & be informed about a variety of equipment, pro or con, especially the "good stuff".
Fender makes the "good stuff" but they're not the only ones. A narrow minded forum would become old pretty soon.


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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:25 am
I agree, but a vendor shouldn't be here selling their goods. That's what advertising is all about, and articles about the product, like in a magazine. The man was right when he stated, this is a Fender site.


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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 11:28 am
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LesK wrote:

Gearheads like to discuss & be informed about a variety of equipment, pro or con, especially the "good stuff".
Fender makes the "good stuff" but they're not the only ones. A narrow minded forum would become old pretty soon.


I'm not suggesting to make it a narrow-minded forum whatsoever.

If you go over to srforums.prosoundweb.com, gearslutz.com, etc. you'll see a lot of industry people in the forums that answer direct questions without shilling their products. As an example, IK Multimedia, digidesign frequently show up on Gearslutz in the guitar section and answer questions on issues like Amplitube Fender - knowing there's a contact at IK Multimedia is great and helped me when I needed a question answered. Bob Lee from QSC is on srforums.prosoundweb.com all the time and answers questions on their products - never pitching them, but when misinformation or questions remain unanswered, he's there to give good information. These forums are far from narrow-minded whatsoever, and in many cases clears up rumors, questions that can't be answered by other forum members, etc. But with rules set up, manufacturers know not to cross it. As someone pointed up above, not everyone has a Fender-Fender signal path, which is OK.

This is completely different from the regular "I like this amp over this" or "don't get that, get this amp" that I enjoy and post suggestions frequently - I don't want to discourage this at all, and would like to encourage more of it. This is what makes these forums great, and needs to continue and be encouraged.

Where I find fault is if people start recommending amps other than Fender if they're a manufacturer/dealer/distributor, but don't disclose that. Or tell you that you need certain effects/software that they sell/distribute in order to get the most of your gear/get the best sound -- then it's not a free exchange of ideas - it is advertising and should be banned. But should we ban those people completely from the forums, when they may have info that can help others without being biased? What if they're commenting on gear that they have no financial interest in? Would it be OK for Dr. Z to come on these forums and talk about old guitars since he only makes amps?

Again, not asking for much - what Chet Feathers has in his signature is enough for me:

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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 12:03 pm
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I have to weigh in on this one..:) As all of you guys who know me, I am very parochial and only play Fender guitars and amps. I am fine having a spirited informed debate about the merits of other gear! IMO for me Fender is the best, nothing can top it for my style and comfort. This does not mean I don't appreciate other gears, I just can't bring myself to play other stuff. Having played it all I have found what works for me. Now the main point, I get really ticked when I see these squatters coming onto this site hawking their crap. Yes, crap! If you were seriously a legit company you would have your own site! We are very lucky to have the fine folks at Fender set this up for us, so those clowns need to get their own place. Sorry for venting so much but man I hate dishonesty!
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 12:53 pm
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I love this site and Fender gear. Of the 5 amps I own and use, 4 are Fender, and with the exception of a Les Paul, all my guitars are Fender. I have to say that while some have recommended different brands for particular applications, myself included I don't know of anyone that is a dealer of other manufactures. I read these forums on a regular basis and couldn't say that I detected someone from another company hawking their gear. Do you know of or suspect this is going on?


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Oops, I should have qualified my statement.
What I meant to say is that we gearheads should be allowed to have our discussions, in a reasonable manner. If I mention Dr.Z or Egnater etc. it would be from the perspective of a gearhead - I'm not in the business. Vendors hawking their stuff should do it only on their own forums.


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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:23 pm
Hey LesK; AGREED! Totally. Wide open discussions really do make this Fender site a very good one.


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